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This is fantastic. When I was part of OEF-P in 2002 we weren't allowed to even think about staging operations on Jolo.
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The Islamic Insurgency in the Philippines Part 1 - The Belmont Club.
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....there was also a decent piece on the Belmont Club back in November comparing Iraq and the Philippines.
The potential for lessons learned seems to be bouncing through many minds lately, as there recently was a related discussion on INTELST, stirred up by an individual posting the old 'net e-mail about Pershing and pigs. However, I have to say that the old thread on SWC was far more substantive... |
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22 February VOA - Southern Philippine Island Plays Out Drama in War on Terror by Douglas Bakshian. Posted in full per USG guidelines.
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BBC, 22 Feb 07: Philippine Army Linked to Murders
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What the Melo report indicates is that the Philippine military is still suffering from the consequences of having Marcos once as their commander in chief. Neither the NPA nor the Armed Forces of the Philippines holds the high moral ground in my country's COIN campaign. I condemn these alleged political murders. I also believe they are counterproductive. Nonetheless, the Philippine public is indifferent. There is no uproar right now. This is due to the fact perhaps that most victims have been identified with the Maoist left. No one among the victims was ever identified with other political groups--the middle forces included. The indifference could be interpreted as the NPA's being isolated politically. But if the COIN campaign in the Philippines is to be brought to a successful conclusion eventually--no matter how long this takes--steps must be taken to further speed up institutional reforms in the AFP. |
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I received the following via e-mail from the Philippines:
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HRW, Jul 07: Lives Destroyed: Attacks on Civilians in the Philippines
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Flashpoint: No Bungle in the Jungle - Peter Brookes, Armed Forces Journal
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Yup. Many Filipinos are happy about this even if they do not take to the streets to march. Nonetheless, maybe it would be nice also if US policymakers were to craft an indirect program to rid a number of AFP officers and enlisted personnel of their Bonapartist tendencies. This bad habit they picked up during the latter part of the Marcos dictatorship. There is still the threat this progress shall not be sustainable. This if a number of AFP troopers shall think it is they who are the saviors of the Philippines. It is about time all learned to respect civilian supremacy even if the Philippine government does have warts. True, the country may have governance problems and this also includes the Philippine Army and the rest of the AFP. A coup d'etat however is no solution. Cheers and Mabuhay. |
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The Long War Journal, 15 Oct 07:
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The Long War Journal, 17 Oct 07:
To raise them up. Part 2: The role of the Philippines in the Long War Quote:
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The last part of that series is here:
To raise them up. Part 3: Investing in people I'm a longtime reader of SWJ. If anyone wants to discuss the series, I'll be happy to do so. Last edited by Jedburgh; 01-17-2008 at 12:59 PM. Reason: Fixed link. |
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Interesting. Comes now the issue. Marcos politicalized what was once a relatively professional Armed Forces of the Philippines. He also allowed--no, encouraged--AFP officers and men to help themselves to the public coffers--as long as they went along with his politics. For any long term results, the US will also have to help address these also. A good number of AFP officers still harbor Bonapartist tendencies. They will have to learn to respect civilian authority once more. At the same time, their grievances will have to be addressed. Incidentally, hazing at the Philippine Military Academy will have to be addressed. Much anecdotal evidence suggests that this hazing is what had made many of them torturers and perpetrators of human rights violations during Marcos' dicatatorship. This helped fuel the Maoist insurgency in the 1970s and 1980s. As one notorious torturer is reported to have said, and quoted in a book: "What I did to them (i.e. the torture she committed on political dissidents) was only what was done to me as a plebe in the PMA." Will the US help address this? |
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I think the answer to your question, "Will the US help address this?" is "Yes, within the context of its overall strategic goals."
The US strategy depends on maintaining at least, and increasing if possible, the GRP/AFP legitimacy in the eyes of the population. There are signs that is working, esp. in the case of Task Force Zamboanga (where the police and AFP work in teams, and therefore watch each other as well as cooperate). US advisors are always working to improve the professionalism of the AFP and police forces for that reason. That said, this is and has to be a GRP-led and GRP/AFP "out front" issue. The main thing the US can't do is visibly 'push' them in one direction or another. It has to be done through offering training that they're free to accept or reject. They are accepting it, but it is a gradual process. |
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Just ran acros this site & consequently this thread.
Having been in & around this country for the past 30-years & a resident for the last 10-years, I just to comment on your article (Part 3 would not open by the way). First, the AFP has no desires whatsoever for the "War" to end in Mindanao,or for the NPA threat, to come to a conclusion. Why, you might ask? Simple... GREED. Dig deeper into the AFP/PNP brass & follow the money (USAID) & I would wager that you would be hard-pressed to find a poor retired officer...quite the contrast to the poverty that AFP/PNP enlisted live in. Secondly, I would challenge your assumptions that the PMA is compareable with West Point, or that there is a strong AFP NCO Corps...it is just simply false. You were obviously, as with all embedded journalist, shown what they wanted you to see. As for Mindanao...the majority of Filipinos (yes, they are considered seperate from the Bangsa Moros) could care less what happens to the Muslims in the South, or everywhere else in the PI. You must scratch the surface & discover the REAL Philippine culture in order to break down the psychological make-up of the Filipino psyche. They could care less about their country, as they are only concerned, in the following order, with Self, family, tribe (Ilocano, Bisaya, etc.). They only start shouting "Pinoy Ako" when it is in reference to some foreign perceived insult such as the "Desperate Housewives" slant. Yes, absurdly patriotic. What is the real underlying factor that keeps this country in terminal poverty? A deeply ingrained culture of CORRUPTION! As one Filipino General (Lim, I think) wrote: "The Filipino cannot help to be corrupt...it is in his blood." When Filipinos see Gloria sitting up in malacanang doing her best to make the Marcos' look like petty thieves, you soon hear them saying "If the the President can steal from the country, then why not me?" While the U.S.military is trying to regain some sort of foot-hold in the Southern Philippines, the DoS is blindly throwing the money at the problem, thus emboldening Philippine authorities to steal even more. All the while the Chinese must be laughing their ass off. They know how to play the game here in SE Asia. They will continue to "LOAN" the Philippines $Billions$, thus establishing a debt that the Philippines cannot even begin to pay back. This is how they will eventually regain control of the South China Sea (oil drilling rights, etc.) and continue to expand their influence over the area. On one final note: keep an eye out for a land deal for peace coming from Gloria. She is on record as saying that ARMM (Autonomus Region of Muslim Mindanao) will be given a very huge chunk of land as part of the Malaysian (Muslim) peace brokered deal. |
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This is a common conflict of desired involvement that Filipinos voice. When the U.S. does get involved they are "Imperialist," but when they let Filipinos try & solve their own problems, they should do more. My take...a revolution will eventually be the ONLY way this country will rid itself of the Oligarchy that controls it. There is a website that list the controlling family of each town, city, province here (sorry, couldn't find it right now). It is amazing that this stuff is still prevelent here in 2007. Does anybody really think they will be giving up power voluntarilly anytime soon? As one local editorialist recently wrote, citing a popular saying during Marcos times..."There are 85 million cowards in the Philippines and One Bitch in charge." Until Filipinos get their heads out of the sand and take charge of their country they will continue to be slaves in their own country and will continue to get the same old corrupt, Do nothing, kleptocratic government that they deserve. |
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), I understand your frustration with the corruption in the Philippines (and other developing and non-developing nations), but when I think of revolutions I think of Castro, Mao, and Lenin who led revolutions to throw the bastards out, only to be replaced with much worse systems. The book answer is to ensure that the government enforces its anti-corruption laws, but of course we know that is a joke, the enforcer will not throw him/herself in prison. Transforming the government has always been the most challenging, and often unattainable, goal for COIN or peace enforcement missions, especially in places in the Philippines, most of Latin America, and all of Africa, where corruption is embedded in the culture. We can develop tactically and technically competent security forces, but as we all know this isn't enough. I'm sure there are a few discussion threads on this somewhere in SWJ, but without this government/cultural transformation any victory will only be transient in nature. |
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