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Small Wars Journal
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Several items concerning ground troop numbers...
21 September Los Angeles Times - Deployment Math Tests the Military by Peter Spiegel and Julian Barnes. Quote:
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Barnett really misses the issue.
When Dr. David Chu was ASD (PA&E) under Bush41 I was an action officer in the Pentagon. He made an interesting observation: "Without a Soviet Union there is no logical floor to Army endstrength." The USSR had maintained stability of the Regular Army at a number colloquially referred to as "781K". A minimum of 781,000 troops were required to meet our NATO obligation of 10/10, ten American divisions in 10 days. This is what was the models said was needed to stop the Warsaw Pact. From that calculation, based largely on the rail capacity in Poland, East Germany, and the Western military districts of the USSR and the inventory of rolling stock in the Warsaw Pact, we ended up with 4 2/3 heavy divisions in Germany and POMCUS for the remainder. That hasn't changed. Absent a significant enemy there is no defensible floor for Army endstrength. The Pentagon is reluctant, and rightfully so, to press for a significant expansion. In the short run you have to raid tactical units for more recruiters, for drill sergeants, for instructors, etc. This means less capable deploying units. We've divested ourselves of a lot of training facilities. It will take lots of time and money to get back to the capacity we had in 1990 with a much smaller number of installations because an expanded Army has to be quartered somewhere and it has to train when not deployed. So without some degree of political guarantee that we won't find another "Peace Dividend" there is really little to no constituency within the institutional Army to expand in anything but the most gradual way. |
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Josh comments on The Adventures of Chester blog - The Irrational Tenth.
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I would say you could have made all those points with some validity in 2001 perhaps in 2002. In 2006, they don't fly. There is a justifiable "floor" for Army end strength, it is called proven OPTEMPO and 5 years into GWOT I believe we--the US--could have arrived at a need for more troops at least by 2004. Had we done so, we could have added end strength needed now. The other weakness in the argument then and now is that it basically says "we cannot get beyond Cold War paradigms." I believe there are any number of senior officers retired and active who could do so. In that regard, look at GEN Shinseki's remarks on retirement about matching force strength to strategy. I would say Barnet is pretty accurate. Best Tom |
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i pwnd ur ooda loop
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You don't have to be a general or secretary of defense to know that you have a continuing project to manage and sustain over time. Along the way you'll have productions losses, retention losses, and a variety of other factors effecting the human resource equation. Including the possible substantive changes in market and yield requirements. You staff for the most probable solution that balances the critical and credible risks. It would seem that an Army would need to staff based on a worse case scenario and in this case that was not done. I'm not a general or an officer but I'm sure that there are doctrines or procedures for figuring this kind of hazard out and mitigating it. Where is that information and why isn't it used?
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