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On Saturday March 1st, the Russian Parliament approved the use of armed forces in the Crimean Peninsula of Ukraine,[1] marking the first possible major Russian military operation since the 2008 invasion of Georgia. In the 2008 Russo-Georgian war, Russia demonstrated the capacity to conduct joint kinetic and cyber operations in pursuit of its political and military objectives.[2] Now, there is evidence that Russia is pursing similar tactics in Crimea.
http://georgetownsecuritystudiesrevi...ons-in-crimea/

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http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/...ead.php?t=5978

Per prior discussion, worth it's own thread for at least 24 hours, Dave.
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Can they shut down the rest of the Ukraine in the same way or does the location of the various IXPs preclude that?
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Can they shut down the rest of the Ukraine in the same way or does the location of the various IXPs preclude that?
Dunno, but reports from Friday (?) night claim that the Russians digitally cut off the Crimea.
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It's called "Snake" and it's being compared to another alleged state-run virus, Stuxnet. And yes, all evidence points to Russia.

According to British-based BAE systems, dozens of computer networks have been infected with the virus, which sometimes goes by the name Ouroboros (named after the serpent in Greek mythology). It works by giving remote attackers "full remote access to the compromised system." It has stealth qualities, including the ability to stay inactive for a number of days.
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"The web brigades(Russian: Веб-бригады )[1] are alleged astroturfing groups linked to the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation. They are purported to be teams of commentators that participate in political blogs and Internet forums to promote disinformation and prevent free discussions of undesirable subjects"
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Having read my fair share of articles there is a surprising amount of much-'liked' comments on quite prominent newspapers which seem to come straight out of the Kremlin, with a free use of 'Nazi', 'fascists' and so forth. In some occasions other posters commented that the writer stucking to the Kremlin line had only joined very recently and devoted all of his posts to the Ukrainian crisis. I don't doubt that there is a fair number of guys working out of their own initiative but if we consider that the Kremlin has also payed Russian 'tourists', 'self-defense' forces, and funded anti-Western protesters it seems very unlikely that we don't see much of the same in Cyberspace.

Exactly this need to pay for most of the supporting actions is a quite striking difference to the vastly bottom-up nature of the Ukrainian maidan movement. Then again this has been the general political problem, as I have mentioned before, for Putin relative to the West, especially in regard to eastern European countries. The European attraction is a massive, vastly natural headwind for Russia in this struggle. It has to work very hard, with all sorts of clever actions, just to not lose ground.
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What kind of culture modern day Russia is cultivating? Is this narrative ok to west? They have cultivated the victim story since 1991. They have will to get revanche. Should west help Russia to aquire (feeding state buget) enough capacities achieve revanhce?
1. You may call it Paternalistic Consumerism. Ask Westerners if it's OK to them.
2. Bravo Sierra. There is a story of "golden age lost due to the sins of fathers", victimness is marginal in our culture, left to a bunch of crack-pot conspiracy theorists and orthodox nuts. While Ukrainian political and culture establishment is raving about Ukraine - an eternal victim of bloodthirsty neighbours.
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"golden age lost due to the sins of fathers"
What was the period of that age?

Who were those fathers?

What sins they did?

To whom they lost it?
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What was the period of that age?

Who were those fathers?

What sins they did?

To whom they lost it?
This theme varies greatly, you don't want to read about all the variations, besides it's a complete offtopic.
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Mirhond, this is not off topic. Audience must understand what makes Putin tick, what makes Russians tick, how Putin's Politburo makes Russians tick etc. 300 journalists got awards from Putin due to their actions in Crimea campaign. About what they were preaching? Смерть фашистким оккупантам = death to fascist occupants? Minus word occupant. Where they borrowed it? Didn't Stalin bring it to the masses in the beginning of Great Patriotic War, when slogan "workers of the world, unite" exhausted itself? Under the workers slogan Soviet Russia tried to overthrow goverments in neighbouring countries. "Death to fascist occupants" is very deep in Russians' psychology and using this bottom drives them to war mode. Today is very popular in Russia ribbon of Saint George.

http://eng.globalaffairs.ru/number/T...radition-15573
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...want-outlawed/

So, mirhond, all those variations are buttons in the toolbox of Kremlin spin doctors.

Ps how many attempts have been made in Russia to write one history text book during last 8 years to enforce one official line? Why the attemps have failed? Why Russians are proud of Great Patriotic War that started in summer 1941, but try not to talk about period between summer 1939 till summer 1941?

2 links and questions in Russian about st George ribbon. Fascist have ribbon? No problem, historians are trying to built up story that makes this episode irrelevant. I'm waiting the moment when they present logical narrative. So far "Death to fascists!"

http://navalny.com/blog/2014/05/07/post_3573.html

http://irek-murtazin.livejournal.com/1194374.html

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http://eng.globalaffairs.ru/number/T...radition-15573
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...want-outlawed/

So, mirhond, all those variations are buttons in the toolbox of Kremlin spin doctors.
Ps how many attempts have been made in Russia to write one history text book during last 8 years to enforce one official line? Why the attemps have failed? Why Russians are proud of Great Patriotic War that started in summer 1941, but try not to talk about period between summer 1939 till summer 1941?
2 links and questions in Russian about st George ribbon. Fascist have ribbon? No problem, historians are trying to built up story that makes this episode irrelevant. I'm waiting the moment when they present logical narrative. So far "Death to fascists!"

http://navalny.com/blog/2014/05/07/post_3573.html

http://irek-murtazin.livejournal.com/1194374.html
1. Look, it's a free board, create a topic "Russian political psyche: history and modernity" - I'd gladly enlighten enyone who will listen about the subject.

2. first link you provided is complete BS - Navalniy has no even a smallest idea what he is talking about. Fun is that second link explains why so. (If you dont get it, I'd explain it in a suggested topic)

ps. Your choice of bloggers explains wery much of you
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mirhond, you are not moderator here, so don't give orders

There was zero arguments in your post.

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Russian propaganda avows that the ribbon — known as the St. George ribbon in Russia — symbolizes the Soviet Union's "Great Victory" in World War II. Yet, the connection between President Vladimir Putin and "Putinism" to that victory remains unclear, especially because the St. George ribbon first gained use as a propaganda tool as recently as May 9, 2005. That was when the pro-Kremlin youth group Nashi had college students and school children hand out a huge amount of the ribbons to passers-by in honor of the 60th anniversary of the Soviet Union's victory in World War II. That initiative set off an unexpected wave of patriotism across the country: Russians everywhere tied the ribbons to their jackets, cars and apartment balconies, and this fervor continued for a full year after the anniversary had passed. Those ribbons made headlines for a second time following the rigged State Duma elections in 2011, which sparked a series of mass anti-Putin demonstrations in Moscow. For whatever reason, the protesters wore white ribbons as the symbol for their movement. This prompted Kremlin spin doctors to come up with the brilliant idea of using the St. George ribbons to oppose the white ribbon. They organized counter-demonstrations by bussing in thousands of state employees from all over and tying a St. George ribbon on the arm of each. Then Putin himself made an appearance wearing a St. George ribbon at one such rally on Red Square. The message was clear: bad, unpatriotic people wear white ribbons but good people wear St. George ribbons in memory of those killed in war.
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinio...my/498194.html

You know who are "Nashi" and who gave orders them. You know why Nashi was organised. This way we drift back to Ukraine topic. 2004. Kremlin started their own fight against orange revolution threat in Russia, due to their failure to bring to power Yanukovich. Brigadir was Surkov, who is after short pause back in Kremlin and coordinates politics in CIS. He created also "Rodina" and Rogozin to control nationalists. Rogozin just arrived from Transnistria with collection of signatures to join Russia. Surkov's team managed internal policy, but didn't hesitate to take action in neighbours yards. Etc, etc, etc. You know this better than me and there is no reason to continue.
This was "Nashi" ideology under directions of Putin's administration. This is the narrative that state sponsored talking heads are telling.

http://www.zaks.ru/pda/archive/view/54291/

Just tell us with couple words what was the "golden age lost by sins of fathers"! How many times should I say "Please!"
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There was zero arguments in your post.

Just tell us with couple words what was the "golden age lost by sins of fathers"! How many times should I say "Please!"
1. I don't understand what are you talking about: ribbon, Nashi, Russian collective unconsciousness, pseudo-patriotic BS in media? I'd explain anything you want to know, but not in this thread.
2. Even Owtlaw spopped harassing me with offtopic question I'am not going to answer here, so you'd better stop too
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This theme varies greatly, you don't want to read about all the variations, besides it's a complete offtopic.
mirhond---since you are working for the FSB take the common courtesy to answer direct questions placed to you but as you yourself know from my responses to you----You are the FSB and get paid for every response you submit to this board and you cannot answer anything anyway until you ask their permission.

If you have any questions from the FSB for us simply ask them at least we will take the time to get an answer back to you---a direct exchange with the FSB/GRU might just improve the relations between the US and Russia.

Nice to see you using US slang since--- when you started writing here you barely could write an coherent sentence in English---at least your handlers will be happy that your English has improved to the point that at least you could visit New York City and not be recognized as a funky Russian tourist from St. Petersburg having a hard time speaking the word "where' without a Russian accent.

Really mirhond--just how much do you get paid per blog entry?

Here is an interesting question you specifically failed to answer me when it as asked a number of times---is Putin a "good" or "bad" Hitler.

Also since when have all Russians residing in the Russian Federation started loving fascists?-- especially yourself since it was you who compared Putin to Hitler on this board.

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1. Look, it's a free board, create a topic "Russian political psyche: history and modernity" - I'd gladly enlighten enyone who will listen about the subject.

2. first link you provided is complete BS - Navalniy has no even a smallest idea what he is talking about. Fun is that second link explains why so. (If you dont get it, I'd explain it in a suggested topic)

ps. Your choice of bloggers explains wery much of you
mirhond---and your great reluctance to admit openly that you work for the FSB explains a lot about yourself---by the way just how many "Russian fascists" have been sent to the Ukraine in order to "fight the Ukrainian fascists" who Putin complains about them "burning" Russians.

Although from the videos being shown on the Odessa fire---several fires were started in the upper floors where the "Ukrainian fascists" were no where to be seen. How do you explain that and do not state it is off topic.

Or do you for some strange reason want to state here on this board that there are no "fascists" to be found anywhere in the Russian Federation?

Or is that "off topic".
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1. I don't understand what are you talking about: ribbon, Nashi, Russian collective unconsciousness, pseudo-patriotic BS in media? I'd explain anything you want to know, but not in this thread.
2. Even Owtlaw spopped harassing me with offtopic question I'am not going to answer here, so you'd better stop too
mirhond---

2. Even Owtlaw spopped harassing me with offtopic question I'am not going to answer here, so you'd better stop too

mirhond---Outlaw did not stop---have been quietly watching your activities here on this board with interest and tracking you as well on several other US/UK boards.

You absolutely do in fact work for the FSB and get paid for your entries which often make no sense, your English spelling is poor to really sometimes very bad---then when directly challenged you get angry and suddenly the language abilities get far better and you never answered any of my "off topic" questions and you do the same thing on the other boards.

When you were identified it was nice that you continued as it has made a great study on mis/dis information activities being currently run by the FSB/GRU.

mirhond --Keep the comments coming as it adds to the study and gives one a better understanding of your handlers.

You really have a big problem when you are directly challenged on your own beliefs and you really have a problem in not understanding your own Russian history although you claim to be a "Russian".

A number of your answers would indicate though that you are in fact a "Russian fascist" just as is Putin but at least Putin admits to having been a KGB COL in Dresden.

2. Does Russia Have a Fascist Tradition?
3. Nationalists, Communists, Orthodox Christians, and Neo-Pagans
4. Cossacks, Skinheads, and Soccer Fans
5. Zhirinovsky and the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia
6. Barkashov and the Russian National Unity

Appendix: The RNU Oath and Code of Honor
7. Dugin, Limonov, and the National-Bolshevik Party
8. Other Fascist Organizations
9. Comparative Overview of Fascist Organizations
Conclusion. Weimar Russia?

In his 1997 article “Fascism – Borderless and Red”, Dugin exclaimed the arrival of a “genuine, true, radically revolutionary and consistent, fascist fascism” in Russia. He believes that it was "by no means the racist and chauvinist aspects of National Socialism that determined the nature of its ideology. The excesses of this ideology in Germany are a matter exclusively of the Germans, ...while Russian fascism is a combination of natural national conservatism with a passionate desire for true changes."[10] "Waffen-SS and especially the scientific sector of this organization, Ahnenerbe," was "an intellectual oasis in the framework of the National Socialist regime", according to him.[10]

So come on mirhond---you still have not answered the question is Putin a "good" or "bad" Hitler or for that matter are you a "good or bad Russian fascist"?

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3. Nationalists, Communists, Orthodox Christians, and Neo-Pagans
4. Cossacks, Skinheads, and Soccer Fans
5. Zhirinovsky and the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia
6. Barkashov and the Russian National Unity

Appendix: The RNU Oath and Code of Honor
7. Dugin, Limonov, and the National-Bolshevik Party
8. Other Fascist Organizations
9. Comparative Overview of Fascist Organizations
Conclusion. Weimar Russia?
Close call, but no. Mussolini-style Russia. If you ever read Umberto Eco's essay "Eternal Fascism" (I doubt it) you'd rather came to this conclusion. Current Russian official ideology is very eclectic but it also misses several important traits to be considered Fascism.
Jonah Goldberg in his "Liberal Fascism" wrote that Mussolini had very simple political program - seize power and stay in power as long as possible. From this point of view you may call current Russian political elite facsists - but all the nuts you've mentioned in above list (which itself begs a question "What a heck it is? What Communists have in common with Orthodox?) are just powerless political clowns.

*offtop is off*

Now back to Ukraine: from time to time I explore the site of Svoboda party - an endless source of nazi-like sentiments and self-convicting documents, couple of it I cited before.
Enjoy recently founded pearl from the one of the Svoboda leaders:
http://www.svoboda.org.ua/dopysy/dopysy/047360/

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Новітніх українських націоналістів з їхніми славними попередниками єднають не стільки конкретизовані організаційні форми і методи боротьби, скільки мета – могутня незалежна Українська держава. Саме через призму цієї мети (а не методів дії) допустимо вибудовувати історичні аналогії й теоретично моделювати поведінку Степана Бандери при вирішенні нинішніх суспільно-політичних проблем. Безсумнівно одне – вона базувалася б на поширеному серед націоналістів того покоління й перефразованому до сучасних державницьких обставин правилі: "Добре все те, що посилює твою Державу, шкідливе все те, що шкодить їй". Головне в дотриманні цього правила – витримати у своїх діях ту тонку грань, яка розділяє Добро і Шкоду, що їх отримає від твоїх дій твоя Держава.
New Ukrainean nationalists have the same goal as their glorious predecessors had - powerful and independent state. ... No doubt they all follow the one rule - "Everything which empowers your State is good, everything which weakens it is bad"...

Old pals Benito and Gustavo may rest in peace - their cause in the good hands.
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offtop is on

Wow, you happened to know a lot about me, why do you still bother asking me directly?
1. I don't use Tor or anonymizers, I use Firefox, if you were real IT specialist you'd find it out in no time, along with my IP, but you are not, so your wild guess is OK.
2. You have no supernatural power to make me answer, do you even realise it?
3. Please, have a little common courtesy and create a topic I suggested before, you know I can't resist answering your offtopic ravings with loads of offtopic from myself.
mirhond---thanks for confirming the so called use of "Firefox" which is not true as is much of what you think you are intelligently writing.

By the way an IP address does not reflect browser use-and as you know IP addresses are passé these days in the world of cyber security since you fully understand the Dark Side of the internet--- they mean absolutely nothing to us as it is the hops you have taken and from where you started that is highly interesting--and by the way your IP address constantly changes each time you come onto the other commercial Western media boards which reflects definitely Tor usage.

But since you are not using Tor which you claim you are not then you might want to "look" at updating your "Firefox" as the IP address is indicating changes with every logon at those sites --- but again you know yourself you are on Tor so I do not need to tell you that.

Keep responding as it only adds to the depth that we have on you and the other four and will go into a interesting article we are putting together on Russian dis/misinformation techniques and how they are used with Western media based on five selected western commercial media sites.

By the way I noticed you did not deny you were on other sites as well--it is those sites that interest us the most as you seem to be working with four distinct other individuals who definitely are using Tor on those sites.

The amount of your responses here on what you have written in the last several weeks reflects a sad state of understanding even the country you claim to be from as I noticed many of your comments/photos actually could have come out of the fascist corner of six "nationalist" Russia websites. Actually several of your past photos come from one specific Russian "nationalist" website---it actually helped us link you to those sites.

Thanks again for the response ---you have my comments so there is no further need to respond to you.

As we are actually as I said far more interested in your responses on the five other commercial media sites where you seem to have improved both your English, writing style, and are heavily proRussian separatist/heavily supportive of Putin in your comments.

If this thread is still up when we publish the article in about four weeks---will let you know the source of the article so you can check out the results and pass it on to the other four writers and your handlers. It is not every day one gets a chance to have a professional rating of your writing/computer skill sets provided for free.

Enjoy Tor as you seem to not fully understand both the power of it and it's inherent weaknesses especially when navigating the internet dark web.

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