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lays blame for a number of planning problems at the feet of Boyd. I guess its easier to blame a dead guy, than the entrenched oradoxy of the metric-ified MDMP...and proposes to fix some of the problems with planning operations involving complex interactions using a more culturally astute Red Teaming process. COLs Benson and Rotkoff lay blame for the problem on the OODA loop: Quote:
Boyd argued a very empirical basis for the OODA loop – you can’t decide (effectively) in the absence of information. I’m not sure I understand what “decide independent of acting” is?? Given that Boyd derived the OODA loop from the split second decision-making of of a fighter pilot, the notion that there is an implication of “MOEs” seems rather a stretch. Quote:
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The authors raise other several potentially countering arguments, and make some decent responses. One of the most important: Quote:
So this “Red Teaming” concept seems to have some good goals, despite pointing the finger of blame in the wrong place… What tools do they need to achieve these goals? I would propose that include wargaming in a variety of guises from traditional “manual” CPX to computer assisted, interactive, testing of the plan against “a thinking adversary”. Perhaps even beg the question of whether this "Red Team" shouldn't be the "Wargaming Team"? Quote:
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We discount intuition. That's a bad mistake. Any decent Staff is its own Red Team. The basic problem is lack of decent staffs because the atrocious personnel system forces people who shouldn't be in jobs into those jobs, both Staff and Command... Quote:
From your penultimate quote: "Critical thinkers require education and experience. Commanders require critical thinkers who can challenge assumptions and offer alternative perspectives." Yes, they do require such experience -- but they do not get it because of the 'requirement' to do too many totally unnecessary things and move too often. Commanders have critical thinkers -- but most will not challenge assumptions because the system mitigates against that -- too many will swallow their thoughts and tell the Boss what they think he wants to hear. That is a training and education problem... We don't need Red Teams -- a Red Team, in and of itself, is an acknowledgement of performance shortfalls. We simply need competence and both the personnel and training systems do not inculcate that. |
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These two Colonels need to listen to the PolarBear Tapes of Boyd in person because they missed the whole concept of Boyds theory I mean they are not even close.
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I saw a presentation tape and couldn't stand it. It was as if sound quality and speech had been optimised for being unbearable.
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