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Interesting. Hmm, it would be *very* interesting to track the money trail for both the movie and book. It would also be interesting to track the hits on the jihadist sites. This looks like the strengthening of another front in the symbolic war. Has anyone seen or heard of any increases in attacks on Christians in Turkey (outside of the inevitable reaction to the Pope's comments)?
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The Jamestown Foundation's Terrorism Focus, 16 Apr 08:
Police Raids Uncover al-Qaeda’s Parallel World in Turkey Quote:
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Al-Qaeda kingpin: I trained 9/11 hijackers, The Sunday Times(London), November 25, 2007
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Hurriyet, 18 Dec 08: Dozens of suspected al Qaeda members detained in Turkey
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Islamic Jihad Union: al-Qaida’s Key to the Turkic World?[/URL], by Einar Wigen. Norwegian Defence Research Establishment (FFI), 23 February 2009. (PDF)
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As you may note there is serious tension in Turkey between the secular nationalists and those who take their Islam seriously. Obama is trying to buddy up with the Turks by suggesting they should be allowed entrance to the EU - contrary to the wishes of most Europeans. These Western contra Islamic tensions could lead to serious strife in the future if excaserbated.
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AQ is conducting uw in a very state-like way. Their message is to dissatisfied Muslim's everywhere, and is not confined by any state border. It is very reasonable to believe that there are young men in virtually every country in the world that would find the message attractive, or that have their own organization and agenda and are looking for a vehicle to get to the next level.
Most of these are local movements with local agendas. Some are groups who have no local agenda per se, but agree that the Middle East should be free of the Western influence that shapes and controls so much of the governance of the region to this day. All of this is actually quite "reasonable" in the sense that it is not surprising, and most of us would do the same thing if the shoe were on the other foot. The real question, is what to do about it. For governments everywhere my advice would be to be empathetic to the concerns of your populace, and to ensure that they have mechanisms available to the that allow them to legitimately voice their concerns and to implement change to governance when they feel it is not responsive to their needs. This is, IMO, the key to maintaining stability on the home front. As to those concerned about attacks from abroad, I believe the key there is to avoid or minimize even perceptions that ones country is somehow a major source of legitimacy for another populace's governance. An insurgent populace will attack such a source of legitimacy in order to open the way to effecting change at home. Plus it is human nature to blame one's problem's on someone else, so such perceptions of legitimacy are a fat, juicy target for a PSYOP campaign by a clever operator like bin Laden. Bottom line though, is not to blame AQ. Sure they are criminal, disruptive A-holes; but so long as such conditions exist, if not them, then someone else would fill this role. Pop-up targets. You can keep shooting the pop-ups, or you can do something to take yourself off their target list. In this context, I believe the approach by the current President is far more likely to yield positive results than the symptom-based approach of the last. In fact, AQ were to attempt another major attack against us, I would take that as a pretty good metric that they think so as well. So I would recommend focusing on: 1. Addressing perceptions of US legitimacy over other governments 2. Encouraging other govenments to, on their terms, open such legitimate avenues for their populaces to express dissent and affect change 3. Move man-hunting to a persistent, relentless effort, conducted in the shadows by a small, dedicated force. 4. Get out of the "effective government" business. It won't work (ineffective government does not cause insurgency in of itself); its too expensive; and it actually adds to our most dangerous factor: perceptions of legitimacy over the government of another.
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Turks increasingly turn to Islamic extremism: Al Qaeda's reliance on Arabs is altering as recruits from Turkey and Turkic-speaking areas of Central Asia form a recent wave of trainees, experts say. By Sebastian Rotella, Los Angeles Times, June 28, 2009.
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This might help explain the "real" reasons why the new Russian President is cozying up to the US these days.
No disrespect to the Russians. I have personally long been crazy enough to want Russia to be a full partner and member formally of NATO, rather than to just have Observer status. Russia as a new democracy could as a full NATO Member have a better opportunity to make friends, tamp down old ethnica and geographic rivalties among it's European neighbors, and form a Western view while at the same time dealing with growing economic interactions, invovling oil and gas, with China and Japan, among other Asian nations Russia should want a better relationship with in a trading partner and collaborative sense. |
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