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Agreed on the useful information.
HRW marches to its mandate and that is to be expected and what I encountered in Rwanda. I place them well above Amnesty International on the accuracy and standards scale. For example you can read Leave None to Tell the Story online; I touched on this work in my essay in SWJ concerning books on the genocide. Best Tom |
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Here's another useful site: Integration-Net. I worked on this site for 5 years, and it's one of the best in the world for refuge / resettlement issues. While it is definitely Canadian centric, the resources section has some very useful links to global issues.
URL: http://www.integration-net.ca/ Marc
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I used a lot of info from Human Rights Watch on a presentation I did on the Genocide in Rwanda. Leave None To Tell The Story is riveting.
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As some folks who posted earlier on this thread, I have a somewhat postitive view of HRW, vis-a-vis their other NGO brethren.
In the short term, it seems that the military's and HRWs agendas are divergent in particular and convergent in general. HRW may complain about specific acts of American atrocities, but at the end of the day both groups want a liberal, stable world order. Thoughts on how to use this to advantage? |
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HRW did an interesting report following up on the initial phase of Iraq a few years back, focusing on civilian casualties in air-to-ground bombing.
Their conclusion was interesting. They could not find a single case where a pre-planned target caused any civilian casualties, and were very complimentary of both the restraint shown by US forces and the ability to very carefully target leadership targets, building, etc., without causing civlian casualties. At the same time, they strongly condemned many of the last minute incidents, most of which were targeted at the "55 most wanted", most of which were based on last-minute intelligence, and virtually none of which reached the intended targets, but did cause significant numbers of civilian deaths. On the whole, they are pretty fair -- which means they are going to be critical all around, both of the US and other countries.
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I personally feel HRW to be a reliable source of information; their bias - if you want to call it that - is clear and does not distort their reporting, which I have always found to be evenhanded. The one time that I had personal contact with them, when they had a team working in northern Iraq investigating the Anfal, I was very impressed with their professionalism. |
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I couldn't recall the title of the report, thanks for posting the excerpts!
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This just came into my email.
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By ASSOCIATED PRESS
"An international human rights group has called on Iran to stop executing people under the age of 18, saying the country leads the world in the practice. Human Rights Watch said Iran had executed at least 17 juvenile offenders, eight times more than any other country, since the beginning of 2004, including two so far this year. Such sentences violate international treaties ratified by Iran that prohibit the death penalty for crimes committed by people under the age of 18, according to the human rights group. It said Iran's judiciary had repeatedly upheld death sentences for juveniles charged with committing crimes when they were as young as 15. " |
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One of the things that I think helps HRW (and something that some who work there express pride in) is that they are not dependent on public donations to the extent Amnesty is. HRW gains most of its donations from fewer but far more generous philanthropists. They would argue that this allows them to play less of an advocacy role than Amnesty has to and focus more on balanced scholarly work that attempts to "inform" the public debate, rather than push it.
Leave None to Tell the Story is a great piece of research by Allison De Forges, its up there with Linda Melvern's and Gerald Prunier works on the Rwandan Genocide. I think though the best recent work (at least to get an issue on the public's radar) was on the 2005 Andijan Massacre piece Bullets Were Falling Like Rain. http://hrw.org/reports/2005/uzbekistan0605/ |
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If I can dig them out, I'll send the titles - HRW published a couple of excellent hard covers about the Anfal Campaigns and genocidal operations against the Iraqi Kurds of the late-1980's. When I worked for the USG in Kurdistan in the mid-1990's, we referred interested VIPs to those publications as excellent sources of background knowledge.
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HRW, Jul 93: Genocide in Iraq - The Anfal Campaign Against the Kurds HRW, Dec 92: The Destruction of Koreme During The Anfal Campaign I was able to visit Koreme during OPC, and had the opportunity to sit down and speak with some of the survivors from '88. It was a sobering experience. Joe - would you have happened to be with the DART team during the time frame you mentioned? |
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Hi,
This may be a bit off-topic, because the discussion thus far seems to have revolved around NGOs with respect to specific events and incidents (e.g., alleged war crimes). However, that said: This book (http://www.amazon.com/Country-Politi...0175910&sr=8-1) has an interesting roundtable including, among others, Carl Ford (formerly of State INR) and an HRW staffer. I haven't read the chapter in some time, but if I recall, the HRW staffer stated that, at least in assessing general political stability and political risk, he thought NGOs were at an advantage vis-a-vis government intelligence services. His reasoning was that the latter mainly liased with their counterparts, whereas since the NGOs worked with "the truly disadvantaged" (to steal a phrase from William Julius Wilson), they got a more accurate sense of how things are. I suppose one could extend the argument, as seems to have already occurred in this thread, to different reporting channels, different oversight mechanisms, different incentive structures, and so on, as well as different world views and recruiting mechanisms. I know some of the people on this board have served as FAOs, attaches, etc. I'd be curious to see whether they agree with the HRW staffer. Regards Jeff |
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So I realize that this blog has almost entirely been dedicated to human rights violations in the Middle East--since this is the Small Wars Journal, but as the perpetual antagonist that I am
, I'd like to throw a wrench into the conversation. Has anyone been keeping up with the "new and pro-western" Russia? What's been going on with Georgia aside, how about what's STILL going on in Chechnya? Now I don't claim to be an expert on this region as my area of interest tends to be more in Western and Baltic Europe, as well as China. However, my cousin who has been somehow conned into being an overseas correspondent for NPR is there and has brought up some interesting issues that plague the everyday civilian in the region--regardless of nationality or technical country of residence. It seems that the facade that Russia keeps putting up about their new "dedication to Human Rights"...blah blah blah... is a little more than absolute bs. The Kremlin is just as active as ever in criminal and torture activities (quite possibly more-so than in many countries in the middle east). For those who are not particularly familiar with the region, this is the article that started my inquiry: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125646705594006337.html What I find interesting, is when people mention human rights violations (particularly in the media) the immediate image is of jihadists in the middle east despite potentially worse, or at least more disturbing, issues going on in a country that claims to be "civilized." Russia is of course, not the only country to be doing these types of things and it's understandable that the media is less apt to cover a story that does not entirely and immediately involve the lives of US citizens. However, I find it interesting that we condemn certain countries for these same things while subsequently ignoring the fact that an ally (and a slightly European one at that) is also guilty of equally insidious human rights violations. Here's what Human Rights Watch has been saying since 2005 when they began to take notice: http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2005/03/2...ainst-humanity Sorry to interrupt the flow. Just wanted to know what others think. Comments? Last edited by chelseam23; 10-26-2009 at 02:01 AM. |
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BTW: this thread has not been active for two years. Which proves, among other things, you have situational awareness, else you would have started a new thread. So,
![]() Good to see that you have decided to jump in among the wolves. Since I've no wolf, I'll have to use what I have on hand. Now, to the less toothy side of the discussion. A popular sport is Russian- and Putin-bashing, occasionally engaged in by yours truly (have to satisfy half-Finnish genes) and by Stan - among others. We might attribute that to a hangover from the Cold War (examine Bob's World's posts for that concept); but in Stan's case the war is not always that cold - and an adversary relationship still subsists (e.g., Herman Simm). All that having been said, and positing that the 2009 event was engineered by the Chekists (the alphabet soup today has more letters - KGB was easier), the Ingushetia assasination might well be very legal under Russian domestic law. You'll find the story in Graham H. Turbiville, Jr., Hunting Leadership Targets in Counterinsurgency and Counterterrorist Operations (JSOU Report 07-6, 2007), pp.14-15 pdf (photos in article): Quote:
So, it's a rough world out there in the back alleys; and a little Velociraptor Power is not a bad idea. What would be your argument vs. the SVR boys and girls - realizing I don't expect a polished legal answer since that would be unfair. Oh, and you have to remember that the US also does targeted killings. Cherers and have fun here Mike
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So SWC has not completly looked away, although the viewing figures are not large, except the Georgia -v- Russia campaign. JMM has also weighed in above. davidbfpo |
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Well there are many human rights NGO's around the world and no doubt they're doing their part well in protecting, implementing and securing the basic rights of every human. I think these sorta departments are an essential need for most third world countries.
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