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17 February UPI via Washington Times - Al Qaeda's Outrages Swing Sunnis to U.S. by Pamela Hess.
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This is a good answer to all those who I have heard calling for us to "take the gloves off" in al-Anbar. I have seen a number of people who seem to think that the key to victory in al-Anbar is to essentially be more brutal than the terrorists. The idea being that we could intimidate them into submission. AQ thought the same thing and it apparently isn't working out for them as well as they had hoped. I have read in other places that some of the insurgent groups a learning that being indiscriminate in their targeting is counterproductive. I hope it is a lesson they learn slowly.
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Check out:http://talismangate.blogspot.com/
His most recent post talks about this. |
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In the blog "Healing Iraq" the author makes the suggestion that the US quit fighting the "bad guys" and cut a deal that they will live with, instead. It seems that he has decided that the fighting is worse than political oppression in Iraq.
So, what "deal" can we make that will prop up the most "bad guys" that we can live with? |
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Tribal security force? Sounds like another militia.
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I know I kind of sound like a broken record, here, but in nearly every successful COIN effort that I'm aware of, sooner or later the "good guys" break down and make use of "militias" as part of the solution.
I think "peace" in Iraq will be relative; and we will have to incorporate some former "bad guys" in the political solution. Including their "militias". I also believe the solution will involve forced resettlements; but whether that will be a de facto recognition of ethnic cleansing, or a planned effort on our part is yet to be seen. I'm starting to doubt whether the political leadership has EVER had the stomach to do what needs to be done to finish this thing. (Not meaning to sound ominous.) |
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19 February AP - Anger at Foreign Arabs Builds in Iraq by Bassem Mroue.
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19 February LA Times - U.S. Forces Try to Win the Trust of Iraqis by Tina Susman.
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18 February The Belmont Club - Degrees of Freedom by Wretchard.
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I also agree on the relativity of peace and the incorporation of militias, but the real question is how relative are we willing to get? Most militias in Iraq are as bad as the old regime, they just havent had enough time to rack up an equivalent body count. I would view acceptance of some of these groups as outright failure of the mission.
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I'm just as skeptical, especially as far as a long-run solution. Relying on and building up the Ramadi tribes into the security forces is, IMO, a long-run nightmare in waiting if the Shia-dominated government ever tries to extend its power over Anbar.
Anyway, AQI appears to be hitting back. Quote:
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GuardianFilms penetrates Iraq's most dangerous province to report on how the Iraqis themselves have turned on al-Qaida.
This film first appeared on Channel 4 News on Tuesday March 13. http://www.guardian.co.uk/video/page/0,,2033085,00.html Last edited by Sarajevo071; 03-17-2007 at 05:30 PM. |
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That good video clip is connected to these reports:
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