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2 Dec. New York Times - Profusion of Rebel Groups Helps Them Survive.
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Assessing Iraq's Sunni Arab Insurgency
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Anthony Cordesman at CSIS has updated this paper:
Iraq's Evolving Insurgency: The Nature of Attacks and Patterns and Cycles in the Conflict |
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In the absence of information or intelligence, commanders and planners must often use a "reasonable man" approach to operations. Given the fact that the US has a prison population of 2.5 million people or roughly 1% of the population, which does not include those on probation or parole; is it not reasonable to assume that Iraq also has 1% of its population living "outside" the rule of law? Using this formula, an Iraqi population of 26 million has 260,000 criminals, passive and active insurgents, and pure-terrorists. Given an alien population of 13 million in the US, or 4% of the population; Iraq would have an alien population of over 1 million of which some undetermined number are foreign fighters.
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Iraq never had a significant foreign worker population along the lines of Saudi Arabia's TCNs. Not even before its economy began going in the crapper. Iraqi's are actually willing to perform manual labor. Those foreigners coming to Iraq explicitly to fight the US and the coalition are a relatively unique group - if you wish to make a comparative analysis that may be of use, look at the foreigners that joined the Afghan Muj, the Bosnian Muslims, and the groups operating in Kashmir. But its more than just a numbers game. Borders and border security, travel routes and support lines, reception support networks, levels of direct/indirect outside state support - Iraq's context is different from the others, and they are useful only as a guide... |
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From ICG, 15 Feb 06: In Their Own Words: Reading the Iraqi Insurgency
For those who don't feel like reading through the entire 30 pages, here's the report's Conclusion: Quote:
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There has been substantial evidence of red on red activity for over a year. It has only intensified recently. If you really want to lose the war you could follow their advice and not disrupt the enemy's activities and not clear his sanctuaries, and not take and hold. The report offers no suggestion for winning. It seems to suggest we should stop doing the successful things we are doing in Iraq and read insurgent websites. I am not impressed.
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And it is correct that there are no purely military prescriptions for winning in the paper. That is not the author's intent, and it does not fit with his premise. But neither does he advise a halt or reduction in our current efforts. Nowhere in the paper does the author advise not disrupt the enemy's activities and not clear his sanctuaries, and not take and hold. I would like you to consider that, of the six bulleted recommendations in the Conclusions section which I quoted above, several elements are already being implemented - although perhaps more gradually and quietly than the author would like. The elements he harps on most - torture, excessive civilian casualties, reigning in sectarian militias - are ones that we've been taking very seriously for quite a while now. Finally, I just want to say that I found the paper of interest simply because of the unique nature of his analysis - looking at the evolution of the various insurgent groups through their open discourse - primarily on-line, although other, more traditional forms of media were also used. Last edited by Jedburgh; 02-16-2006 at 04:45 AM. |
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In the opeing quote the author says:
The current anti-insurgency approach does not appear to be working. To date, it has centred on three core pillars: the enemy’s destruction (elimination of the largest possible number of fighters), decapitation (suppression of insurgent leaders and leadership structures) and dislocation (recovery of their sanctuaries and disruption of their lines of communication).I think he is ignoring substantial evidence that the enemy had delegitimized itself by attacking non combatants and ruling like the Taliban in areas it did control. As the story in the WaPo on Tal Afar shows US forces are adapting to defeat the enemy. The story leaves out the mayor's letter to McMaster and his earlier letter to Gen. Casey that demonstrate just how successful the US has been in defeating the insurgency in places like Tal Afar where the take and hold policy has been employed. Incidents around Ramadi also demonstrate how the enemy has alienated the Iraqis. In the hearts and minds war, the enemy has been the big loser and my reading of the article does not suggest the author comprehends that. Of course, I think it is important to study enemy communication. I just think his assertion that the current strategy is not working is not even close to the mark. |
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I just do not believe that other enemy factions such as the ones who want to restore Saddam or Baath party rule of some Sunni theocracy have legitimacy with most Sunnis much less most Iraqis. They are a minority of a minority. The elections have pretty well demonstrated that they have been rejected by most Iraqis. If they had legitimacy they would have been more successful in the election. The non al Qaeda groups are made up of the former regime elements and some Sunni supremicist religious bigots who fear rule by the Shia and Kurds. They have all the legitimacy of the Klu Klux Klan. I just do not see the need to elevate them to "legitimacy." Just what is the legitimate greviance of any of these groups?
Any close reading of operations in Iraq over the last year such as Michael Yon's and Bill Roggio would show that US troops are sensitive to the local community and are working with them. I just do not have a lot of patience for reports suggesting that US troops and their leaders are a bunch of dummies or that their strategy is not working when it clearly is. |
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Remember, we are discussing legitimacy in the context of the perceptions of their supporters. It doesn't matter one iota what you or I think about their legitimacy. It is clear that, despite successes in many other aspects of the COIN effort, we have yet to significantly degrade support for the insurgents within the communities where they thrive. Quote:
As for our strategy working...well...the results are not yet final. It is certainly unreasonable to state that it is clearly working, unless you are very selective in your reading and analysis. In certain aspects, we seem to be doing very well. However, the insurgency continues, as we continue to have issues (quietly, quietly...) with the new Iraqi government. Operationally and tactically, we have done a great job of integrating lessons learned - both current and reaching back for those we had forgotten. But we damn sure have not yet reached a point where victory is certain. |
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Not to be too flip, but it took over a 100 years to roll up the Klan. We clearly have a ways to go in Iraq. I think we are defeating the enemy but he is not yet defeated. He may even have a better chance than the Klan had in achieving his objective, but if you analize his position given his objectives, he is losing.
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19 March Washington Post - Iraq's Insurgents: Who's Who by Jonatahn Finer.
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A very bare-bones piece. The author's sources:
The SITE Institute: Some searching is required. The info on Iraq insurgents isn't gathered into one comprehensive document or even specific section of the website. International Crisis Group: The link is to their index of Iraq reports, rather than to their home page. I like ICG, but with the exception of one report, which I posted on SWC when it was published, they tend to focus more on the pure political aspects than on the insurgents per se. That's why I'm surprised he only goes on to list news reports as his final source, and didn't bother with Cordesman's CSIS - they have published a number of in-depth reports looking at the insurgents. I won't even bring up his failure to mention Jane's... |
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I think this is one of those questions where we tend to believe what we want to believe and ignore evidence that does not confirm what we want to believe.
There is a strong desire to believe, for instance, that the insurgents are a hodge-podge of foreign influences and therefore more credance tends to be given to the reports that confirm that belief and less to others. Since it seems to be a universal malady of human beings to believe what they want, we ought to be very careful to consider if we are giving in to that tendency. And it behoves us to consider what anybody else might "wish" to be true in this case. Add to that the desire of some to report what they think their boss or their political benefactor "wishes" and you have the formula for a lot of noise with little substance. For that reason, I'm always a little hesitant to trust anyone who says they "know" who the insurgents are.
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