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| View Poll Results: Is this type of study woth doing and would you take part? | |||
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Hi Folks,
In a recent post in the What is our message thread, I asked Quote:
What I would be interested in knowing is this: If I put such a study together, do people here think that a) it is worth looking at and b) would you be willing to take part in it (anonymously)? Obviously, the study would have to be conducted online. Marc
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Sic Bisquitus Disintegrat... Marc W.D. Tyrrell, Ph.D. Institute of Interdisciplinary Studies, Senior Research Fellow, The Canadian Centre for Intelligence and Security Studies, NPSIA Carleton University http://marctyrrell.com/ Last edited by marct; 04-06-2007 at 06:23 PM. |
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Marc,
What do you see the end purpose of such a study being? |
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Hi Jimbo,
Good question, and I should have put it in the original post. Basically, I think that the study can be used to
BTW, I will also be trying to run a parallel study on problems that the Canadian Forces have with our media - same design but, possibly, different problems / answers. Marc
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Whew! You like to work, don't you? Certainly you should proceed but talk about methodolgy pitfalls and raging variables to grapple with. Sounds like a good joint project for Stat/Anthro/Sociology Grad students....
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I'm currently involved in such a study as part of my master's thesis. I've been interviewing students at CGSC to ascertain how field grade officers feel about the media and what role the media should play within the nation and when covering the military. It will be several months before I've finished research and written my conclusions. You are more than welcome to my findings when I'm finished. Feel free to contact me at any time.
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Marct,
"IF" you want some help.... I think you'll have to do a couple of things to identify bias. 1) How much, what kind, and where do serving military members get their media information. 2) An interesting side lobe in the stats is likely going to be "other military members" as a source of media. 3) They should rate different media formats (to assign bias scores) to particular venues and types of media. 4) It might be interesting to look at particular reporters/celebrities and see if there is a consistent feeling toward a personality versus a medium.
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Hi Folks,
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There's a style of research called "participatory action research" that uses multiple methods and, at the same time, gets the people who participate in the study as "co-researchers". I fully expect to be using a variant of that. Quote:
) in coming in on this one. I will be in contact with you.Always! Quote:
I also think you are on to something with the personality vs. medium is one to follow up on. Marc
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Marc--
Why not go whole hog and do a comparative study of US/UK/Canadian/Australain military attitudes toward media. I suspect that RMC and the Canadian Defence Academy as well as the UK Defence Academy would be interested in funding such a project as would sponsors in the US and Australia. If I were doing this, my next step would be to draft a research proposal/design and shop it around. An American scholar who might find it interesting is Jim Grunig, Professor Emeritus of Communications and Public Relations at the University of Maryland. Let me know if and how I can help. John |
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Marc,
I think it would be very useful. For my two cents, I'd also ask if there is a particular incident they can recall that strongly influenced the attitude.
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-then there's relationships/cofactors to wrangle with like accounting for those surveyed who are primarily green zone troops V those non-green zone, correlating stressors to perception of bias like time in country, does that contribute to bias perception or not, it should by all accounts based on common observations being reported/detected, i.e. Ender's comments about some troops preferring to escort insurgents over journalists. Is there a decreased immunity to bias the longer one is in country or not? Who is reading the most news and why? What about a given unit's demographics? Will Iowa Guardsmen for instance be less or more biased than career NCOs and why? This is dissertation material on the statistical aspects alone - talk about walking through a mine field of variables. Run a general survey of those who have been in country V those who have not to build a data base, to generally qualify the assumption that bias exists. Surely to God there will be a 'bump' with those who have been in country.
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I agree that this is going to be capturing perceptions only: that of course would be the point, the argument is that knowing how widespread certain perceptions are would be useful knowledge. I think I like the idea of asking about particular newsies, but it certainly makes sense to ask both where they get the majority of their news while at home and when deployed (and what kind of access to news they have had while deployed -- I suspect the answer to that will vary wildly.)
Before the last post went up I was just wondering if it would be possible to ask open ended questions of that sort: did you have a particular first-hand encounter with the press that shaped your attitudes (positive or negative) that you would like to share? And, did you hear about someone else's encounter with the press, and did that story shape your attitudes (positive or negative? If so, would you like to share that story? (Probably need to tell them not to include names for that question.) Several years ago I did a survey of milblog writers. This was before the big bump in milblogs, and I didn't get enough respondents to really call it more than a series of personal corresponences, but several noted that what prompted their beginning a blog was the desire to correct what they believed was the misimpressions family and friends were getting from the press. You do hear/read that over and over from troops, that when they do get access to the coverage it seems disconnected from their own experience of the war, and some type of question needs to get at whether or not that attitude is really wide-spread (because obviously the blogging community is going to be somewhat self-selected on that score: you don't take that action step unless you're mighty unhappy. Now, a lot of people are that unhappy, the question is how representative they are.) |
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Hi John,
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Input, comments, advice and contacts are always welcome ! Believe me, John, I will be asking for help from you on this one.Marc
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Marc,
This area has intrigued and worried me sense Stan and I were dodging reporters in Goma. I put together a newsletter last year on media and media relations under the title Media is the Battlefield. My reasoning in do so was NOT the media is the battle rather that media is a factor on the battlefield one has to deal with like terrain or time. I sometimes get a chance to actively teach and this is one of the points I try and get across: that simple antipathy or open antagonism toward the media is a waste of mental effort. It is rather like hating mountains. Better to learn to walk and climb in the mountains. Better to learn to deal with the media from a centered/neutral view than from a position on either end of the love/hate scale. Another arena in the military that would be interested in this study would of course be the public affairs community. I would suggest starting at the top with DoD or perhaps the service chief PAOs. Best Tom |
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Hi JW,
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![]() ![]() Yeah, you are quite right about all of the things that could make a difference. Years ago, I read a book by Gregory Bateson where he defined information as a "difference that makes a difference". That had a profound effect on my thinking, and it has really influenced how I conduct research. The corollary, of course, is "who does it make a difference for"? I've been doing a lot of thinking about this for the past 24 hours or so (along with PMing and emails). A lot of the differences don't make much of a difference unless the situation is clearly defined. So that means that context and situation will be king. Loosely translated, I know that I have different perceptions of the same "thing" depending on when I am asked about it and what is going on in my life at the time, and I expect exactly the same thing to happen here. So, we could end up with questions like this for people who did time in the field with embedded reporters:
Marc
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Hi Tom,
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In a lot of ways, I suspect that there will always be friction in democracies between the military and the media, just from their varying social roles. More and more, I am seeing this project as a way to find out where the "flash points" are between the two, which of them can be mitigated and which ones can't. I think that the entire discussion about personalities and events is probably crucial to this; at least that's what my gut is elling me right now. Quote:
Marc
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Despite how you feel about the average journalist's politics, they can be valuable tools on a number of fronts. How many military guys can get an interview with an insurgent group? Make friends with journalists and get some of this intel. We can also "use" journalists towards our IO efforts, if done carefully.
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I have reread what I wrote here in relation to the whole topic in general and I must admit that I am not an objective source on the matter. I may have been trying to kid myself but the truth is that I do have a very narrow view of the concept and that can't serve this debate very well at all. I am confident that calmer, sounder minds will prevail and I look forward to the finished products of the discussion.
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Now, this isn't just true from the military side. The military as an institution (NOT individual soldiers or units) has seen its credibility with the press badly eroded over the last four years. (And, again, speaking as someone who has been and continues to be a very, very harsh critic of the press, things are not going to be entirely resolved unless the military comes to grips with the fact that there are some legitimate reasons for that to have happened.) As much as I think the idea of going after a cross-country study makes real sense, I think a major contribution would come from a study that also went after the perceptions of newsies who covered the war in a serious way. The primary difficulty, because organizations (one of the main problems in the coverage, IMHO) have often rotated so many people in for a turn or two who didn't have the background and were just there as sort of "relief pitchers" would be coming up with a careful definition of who's perceptions mattered, who you wanted to define in and who you wanted to define out among the journalists. For ex, I think there is a very serious, highly professionalized, Pentagon press corps. They cover a different slant of story than the folks actually in Baghdad do. But their perception of the military obviously matters. In or out? Some of the folks in Baghdad have been there for a very long time, or at least have done multiple tours there, but they're more foreign affairs folks than military beat/war correspondents. In or out? What about people who have nothing to do with covering war or the military typically but got sent in because no one else at their network was willing to go and SOMEBODY had to go in to give the Baghdad guy a break? And so on and so forth. But if you want to get at that idea of flash points, and in partiicular if you're looking for which ones are institutional and which ones are context-driven, coming out of behaviors/events that took place during this war and could be changed, I think you need to survey both "sides." The argument I make in my work is that there are some aspects of covering this war that are unique, that caught everyone off guard, but which aren't going away, and which therefore have to be grappled with. This would be another way of coming at that. The other thing is this: I've been a little concerned about how the resulting data might be seen, or used. The environment is now so charged, it's an issue you have to take into account. If you survey both, the findings can be presented exactly as MarkT phrased it above: a critical relationship has become unhealthy, this research is a step towards discovering why, and that's a necessary step towards discovering what can be done to heal that relationship. |
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If you could get their support, you could go through Military Reporters and Editors, and use their mailing list -- that would miss some people, but it would be a start, and give you a right good list of names and addresses at the same time.
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Hi Marc !
I pondered over your request with a Saku on Ice (a wonderful Estonian beer ) when an American journalist that I've know for a while came in.He told me to check out Accuracy In Media. www.aim.org Their mission statement: Quote:
Here's a good short read: Why We Are Going to Iraq By Jeff Emanuel and Victoria Coates April 4, 2007 Quote:
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