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From Tom Barnett at his Thomas P. M. Barnett web log - Beyond Lies in American Food Aid: The Dead Bodies
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Those so-called laws are in place to protect America's interests. It wasn't too long ago, that anything the Embassy or DoD elements needed also had to be... made by, shipped by... and... used by Americans. From vehicles to toilet paper. I think the laws are apropriate and should remain in place.
Jeez, it's not like we are sitting around watching them die: http://usembassy.state.gov/zambia/press_releases.html A quick scan of the U.S. Embassy's Public Affairs section for Lusaka, Zambia reveals mucho bucks being donated. Hell, even the U.S. Marines 'toys for tots' program cranked out mega toys in December of 2006 for needed children. I mean c'mon, if there's soo much chow available in Zambia to buy, why don't they get a tad more involved in donations ?
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Hi Stan,
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? Stan, think of this in military terms for a minute. If you were out at the sharp end, would you rather know that there is a company following on ready to support you or that there is a battalion 300 miles away that could reach you in a week?Quote:
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Hey Marc !
To quote a real smart guy herein....Yepper ! Quote:
They recently received computers and all kinds of 'stuff' to boost tourism ????? I give up, obviously USAID thought that would 'plug a hole'. The Peace Corps supposedly teach them how to raise fish, do we now need to teach them how to eat said ? I also have a real hard time with that term 'charity' tied to administrative costs. Perhaps why I like keeping the whole banana At least I would have some idea where all that admin cash is going.I'm not totally against 'buying it there', but if there is a bumper crop, why not give some to their own folks ? Why do we have to buy their Sierra, and give it away (just down the street) Regards, Stan |
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Hi Stan,
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![]() When I'm wearing my consulting hat, I've been doing tourism research for the past 3 years (amongst other stuff). That has got to be the stupidest idea I have heard of! Quote:
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I have worked aid and relief overseas in the Sudan, Zaire, and Rwanda. I was married to an AID officer for nearly 10 years during which time she worked in the AID missions in Sudan and Egyt. And she ran the Food for Peace program into Haiti in the late 80s early 90s under PL 480. Tied aid as you describe depends on type aid, situation, and adminstration. In Sudan we used American sorghum that the Sudanese did not like; ours is red and we use it as livestock feed. Theirs is white, called durra, and it is a staple like corn. They ate the red sorghum, given the choice of eating it or starving, In Goma, it was not food, it was water. Food was an issue but it was not the crisis driver. In that case, the greatest US AID was really ailift with water transport as a seond place. One case of "tied aird" that stood out was Japan's donation to UNHCR millions of dollars of Toyota and Nissan luxury--leather seats, dual A/Cs, CDs, etc--as emergency aid worker vehicles. In Rwanda, I was able to get waivers allowing me to buy Nissan trucks for demining rather than US vehicles that you could not get parts for locally. Quote:
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Hi Tom,
You're quite right in pointing out the distinction between immediate disaster and long term development. One of the things that has really toasted my cookies for years now has been how the two categories have been conflated for fund raising (and other) purposes. Let me give you an example... The "famine" that is operating in the countries bordering southern Sudan is both a "crisis" and, at the same time, something that pretty much everyone knew was going to happen (similar to the Darfur refugee problems). It is a "crisis" in the sense of being a critical problem, but it lacks the temporal immediacy of, say, a tsunami or earthquake; let's call it the difference between a "crisis" and a "disaster" for the purpose of discussion. Emergency response groups, such as the DART teams etc., are pretty much designed for a response to immediate problems, i.e. disasters. As such, there is probably going to be little that can be done in terms of "local". But what about crises that can be forecast? This is where I see the conflation between development and foreign aid taking place. You used the example of canned tuna when he lake is dry, and it's a valid analogy, but surely someone would notice that the lake was drying up? I've got no problems with some of the tied aid that is given. Where I do have problems with it is when it is inappropriate tied aid. Probably the classic Canadian example of that was several hundred million given by Canada to Mozambique in the 1970's to build a railroad into the resources areas of the country. Good idea, except for the implementation. It used a non-standard gauge of track and all the equipment was produced in Montreal and only available there. The effect was to create a situation where the railroad did little actual good and, in terms of supporting Canadian industry, the money would have been better spent on a straight subsidy. Marc
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Canada is hardly alone in that regard, Marc. We started an insurgency in Bangladesh with a dam that eliminated a tribal group's homeland and benefited their rivals. I have told my story here about Wisconsin dairy cattle forced on USAID Egypt by a now deceased Senator who later was a Sec Def (Les Aspin). All the pampered Wisconsin beauties were hoofs up in a year in Egypt's slightly different climate where the locals don not put air conditioning in barns (if they have barns). Pick a reciepient country and we probably have dome something that was not quite right. Military assistance gets even more bizarre. Your frustration about foreseeable, perpetual, and often perpetuated crises is also valid. But very often those whoe refuse to see (or publicly admit) the crises are the governments that need the aid. That was my experience in Sudan in 84 when the drought was just as bad as it was in Ethiopia. Or as was the case in Zaire in 94 when the "government" (as in the muliti-layered criminal organzation that ran the country called itself) used the Rwandan refugee crises to its advantage only to have that crises consume them. Sudan (Darfur) and Zimbabwe (the whole bloody place) fall into that realm. My frustration has been and still is that much money that actually should go to developing countries goes to countries that do not even fight the profile for development aid, those of course being both Israel and Egypt. Best Tom |
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Since we are on, sort of, the subject of charities, I would like to tell you about a very good one. The International Polio Victims Relief Committee works to provide surgery, braces and p.t. for the horribly twisted people seen on the streets of Kinshasa and thoughout the Congo.
It is run by a USAID guy who has been in the Congo for decades and works full time for AID. The IPVRC work is all in his spare time. I have seen their facilities and there is zero fat and almost no overhead. The only full time staffer they have mostly lives on credit and loans because her pay is always backed up. She does it cause she is a genuine noble person. (don't tell her i said that.) They have small facilities near Beni, in Bunia and Lubumbashi and other places also. Google them under IPVRC. It is truly worthy. |
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A good a time as any to mention one of my favorite books: The Economist's Tale: A Consultant Encounters Hunger and the World Bank, about the author's work to try and stop a manmade famine in Sierra Leone in the 1980s. A true masterwork IMO of the true disaster that is our development model for the Third World, with no parties spared - intellectuals, expatriates, First World aid workers, Third World corrupt officials, etc.
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Life jacket body armor!!!
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Thanks for pushing that info out there Tequila, but damn you for introducing me to another text I will have to buy while knowing all to well that I have little time to complete it.
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Here is another good one
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GAO Rpt, 13 Apr 07: FOREIGN ASSISTANCE: Various Challenges Impede the Efficiency and Effectiveness of U.S. Food Aid
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