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There are at least 140,000 Turks on the frontier, and another 120,000 behind them engaged in keeping a lid on the local populations. Some of the Turkish generals have been champing at the bit for half a year, and the General Staff reportedly completed planning back in late June or early July. It seems that almost all of the players, on both sides, are trying to drive the Turkish Government to kick over the applecart, and see what happens. Be careful what you wish for...
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Attacks intended to spur repression or overreaction are a common hallmark of insurgencies (or terrorism). The downside for the PKK might be less Turkish intervention, but the PUK and especially KDP deciding that they had best deal with the issue themselves rather than risk the Turks having a go. |
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In fact, taking it a step farther, were the Iraqi government able to field a combined force of its three major groupings (Kurd, Sunni, Shi'a) to deal with the issue, it might even provide the centralized rallying point that seems to be missing from Iraq right now. (Sort of like the "We ain't shaving" incident that coalesced Lee Marvin's Dirty Dozen.) An alternative rallying call of "We Iraqis" against the Turks is not as palatable from a US perspective, but is also a possible outcome. |
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Turkey to vote on Iraq incursion - CNN 17 Oct
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![]() What am I thinking? That would be a non-starter. We don't like those Iranians ever since they took over our embassy. How about we send the 82d's DRB to Yerevan in Armenia and threaten to invade Turkey over the Caucacus and conduct a regime change if they cross over into Iraq? I'm sure the "Armenian Genocide Lobby" would back that one to the hilt.![]() Sorry, I misread your post. I thought you wanted the" least smartest" strategy. I suspect the best thing for America to do is sit back and let the Turks and Iraqis figure it out on their own. |
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Here's a DoD press release. I find the folllowing extract rather interesting
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they'll say the PKK is buying yellow cake from the US and come pouring across the border, launch air strikes and everything - this would be the perfect covert mission for Valerie Plame to infiltrate disguised as a Diplomat and nab the Turk's war plans
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Turkish warplanes and helicopter gun-ships attack Kurdish rebels along Iraqi border Wednesday, order troops to cross over in pursuit
October 24, 2007, 4:12 PM (GMT+02:00) A Turkish lawmaker disclosed that the Turkish attack began Sunday, Oct. 21, after more than 12 Turkish troops were killed in an ambush by rebel Kurdish PKK guerrillas. He said F-16 jets and artillery pounded at least 63 rebel positions inside the Kurdish-controlled region and 300 Turkish commandoes were dropped by helicopter into Iraq to hunt down PKK fighters. There were other reports of Cobra and Super Cobra attack helicopters chasing Kurdish rebels three miles into Iraqi territory after Sunday’s deadly PKK ambush. According to earlier reports, the Turkish counter-attack left 32 Kurdish rebels dead and eight soldiers fell into PKK hands and are still missing. While the US continues to urge restraint, Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s government faces angry demonstrations in Turkish towns demanding an immediate military incursion into Iraq to wipe out the PKK strongholds. Military action was overwhelmingly approved by the parliament in Ankara last week. This month, PKK fighters killed 42 Turkish soldiers and civilians in hit-and-run cross-border raids. Washington has also urged Iraq and its Kurdish leaders to crack down on the PKK hideouts. Iraqi officials are due in Ankara Thursday to discuss the crisis after Turkish foreign minister Ali Babacan held talks with his Iraqi counterpart Hoshyar Zebari in Baghdad Tuesday. |
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http://www.iags.org/iraqpipelinewatch.htm
lists 461 attacks, many minor, on and in relation to pipelines and refineries since 2003 - PKK may well play this card and inflate the number http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull "Oct 25, 2007 5:49 | Updated Oct 25, 2007 10:53 Gates: More intel needed on Kurdish rebels in northern Iraq" Rebels? I thought they were insurgents simply wanting a homeland of their own, much like the palestinians? A small slice of Iraq, a tiny piece of Turkey, a bit of Iran and presto! there is a Kurdistan, it even sounds almost like Palestine. An insurgency against Turkish economic, political and social oppression, 3 acres and a donkey for every Kurd, a perfect environment for COIN, smaller and more readily managed, no religious plurality to contend with, oil reserves, etc. Maybe Iran could convince them to settle for just a piece of Iraq and Turkey and be a partner in peace in the upcoming struggle with the US and Israel. Aftrer surviving Saddam and US double-dealing and more of Saddam's iron heel after the double-dealing, I really doubt they are going to passively lie down and fade away Last edited by Jedburgh; 02-27-2008 at 08:47 PM. |
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Turkey launches ground operation in Iraq - AP, 22 Feb.
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The Jamestown Foundation, 27 Feb 08:
U.S.-Turkish Relations: A Strategic Relationship Under Stress Quote:
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The Jamestown Foundation, 29 Feb 08:
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The Jamestown Foundation's Terrorism Monitor, 24 Mar 08:
Unwelcome Guests: The Turkish Military Bases in Northern Iraq Quote:
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The Jamestown Foundation's Terrorism Monitor, 15 May 08:
PJAK in Northern Iraq: Tangled Interests and Proxy Wars Quote:
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The Jamestown Foundation's Terrorism Monitor, 29 May 08:
Turkey Launches Economic Offensive Against PKK Recruitment Quote:
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The Jamestown Foundation's Terrorism Focus, 10 Jun 08:
Turkish Generals Admit Military and Intelligence Coordination with Iran Quote:
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ICG, 13 Nov 08: Turkey and Iraqi Kurds: Conflict or Cooperation?
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I was watching the Mosaic: World News from the Middle East program from Link TV this morning (podcast available from iTunes). I nearly spit my Irish Coffee all over my heart-clogging breakfast when I saw this report: EU to Remove Iranian Opposition Group from Terror List (translated by Mosaic from Al Arabiya TV, UAE). More at al-Arabiya (English) here.
PMOI (People's Mujahideen of Iran) / MEK (Mujahideen-e-Khalq) Wiki I don't know if it would be prudent to operationally leverage MEK against Iran anytime soon, but it sure would be nice to have that leverage available as a bargaining chip. If the EU takes them off the FTO list, then maybe we will as well? And then we would have the option of openly working with them? From an earlier piece from Jamestown: "Iran's military will engage Kurdish separatists whenever encountered, in exchange for Turkey's cooperation against the Iranian Mujahideen-e-Khalq movement" And this from a more recent report: "Iraq plans to close a camp for Iranian dissidents who used to cross into Iran to mount assassinations and sabotage - a decision that has sharpened political differences between Baghdad and Washington." More recently: Quote:
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