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ICG, 7 Jun 07: Georgia's South Ossetia Conflict: Make Haste Slowly
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CACI, 15 Oct 07: The August 2007 Bombing Incident in Georgia: Implications for the Euro-Atlantic Region
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"MOSCOW, November 8 (RIA Novosti) - The speaker of Russia's lower house of parliament said on Thursday that Georgia's claim that the Kremlin orchestrated mass unrest in Tbilisi was prompted by the United States."
Although no surprises in the article dumping blame, an interesting correlation that backs the Estonian claims of 'Russian-funded' unrest and violence. Quote:
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MOSCOW, November 7 (RIA Novosti) - American interference is aggravating relations between Georgia and its two breakaway regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, the chief of the Russian General Staff said on Wednesday.
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Russia Profile Weekly Experts Panel, 16 Nov 07: Is Russia Behind an Orange Revolution in Georgia?
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Russia Profile, 14 Jul 08: A Conflict of Interests
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EDM, 4 Aug 08: Moscow Orchestrates War Scare in South Ossetia
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Most of you will find this an obscure piece of news, but for Russia and the Caucasus this could be momentous: Last night open fighting broke out between the "separatist" forces of South Ossetia and the armed forces of Georgia.
This morning Russian TV showed Katyusha attacks during the night (by whom? on what? can't say -- do not trust propaganda! Russia says Georgia started). At the brake of daylight South Ossetian Su-25 attacked targets in Georgia. The U.N, security council is meeting just now they say (0430h GMT). Developing. http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2....3105&PageNum=0 |
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BBC, 8 Aug 08: Heavy Fighting in South Ossetia
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Let's wait what will say Lavrov, Medvedev and Putin.
When someone starts war, then he must vision the peace after war ... Which side started the war? Felgenhauer writes: Quote:
If this is the truth, how will other participants save the face? Quote:
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How to win international support?
Georigian site in English. http://www.civil.ge/eng/article.php?id=18957 Russian site in English. http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/28640 |
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It's interesting that this is happening when the world's media is focused on the opening of the Olympic games.
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If the Georgians are calculating that the Russian response will be muted because of the Olympics, I think they're badly miscalculating.
Nice footage of a Georgian BM-21 (?) battery fire at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7546639.stm (the BBC also have raw footage of Georgian CAS and Russian armor reinforcements). |
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More likely Georgia decided that the best time to establish population control is when the media isn't watching. I suspect that's because they're not planning to emphasize winning hearts and minds.
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Eurasia Daily Monitor reported last week that battalion of Russian Railroad Troops had finished a two month's reconstruction of a railroad that had been out of service since fighting back in 1992. With the 58th Army on the frontier, once that railroad was finished, the Georgians knew it was on. The Olympics of course are convenient to deflect international public opinion from Russian activities.
Apparently, the Russian reconnaissance battalion leading Russian troops into the South Ossetian capital today has been caught in a bit of a snare laid by the Georgians. Things are getting real interesting. I wonder if news from Abkhazia may not be far off. Now I'm waiting to see what happens in Eritrea, too, with the imminent departure of the UN force there. |
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been a while since theres been a good european war. I saw on the news that georgia was pulling its 1,000 troops out of iraq to help deal with this newest problem
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I hope the Georgians have learned well asymmetrical methods from its time in Iraq.
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I'm almost sure that this won't become a full-scale war, but end in a few days with a cease-fire.
Reason: A full war would be detrimental to Putin's interests. He wants the Georgian government weakened, and eventually replaced by an at the very least neutral government. I'm convinced that this isn't about South Ossetia, Abchasia or oil. It's about the definition of the zone of influence of NATO/USA and Russia. Ukraine and Georgia are the two prizes that are left in this East-West struggle, and Russia needs to destabilize their governments to pull them out of the Western influence zone into theirs. Most importantly, it needs to prevent that they become NATO members. Warfare almost guarantees that they won't become members for a while. The Georgian government has probably done a lethal mistake already with the apparently excessive violence against civilians. The Russians can use this "multiple rocket launchers shot into villages/city full of civilians" thing to portrait the Georgian government as bad guys. That would have two phenomenal advantages for Putin; disrupting the Georgian government for a higher chance of a new government and keeping Western support small. We don't (officially) support civilians-massacring baddies, after all. Putin has already won. His troops only need to capture some square kilometres in South Ossetia to keep the status quo ante (plus quasi-permanent presence of Russian troops in South Ossetia). He would be stupid if he allowed an escalation or long duration of the war. I told others that there's some major conventional war potential in Eastern Europe; especially one bloc against the other bloc's proxy was a viable scenario. I cared more about Ukraine because that country is much more relevant, though. I encountered deaf ears mostly, and very few people seem to see the dangers of the struggles and alliance growth in Eastern Europe. We tend to discuss celebrities' haircuts much more than vital alliance policy. |
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That is a good analysis Fuchs.
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Fuchs said:
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I suggest to read Russia's last foreign policy concept. http://www.mid.ru/ns-osndoc.nsf/0e92...b?OpenDocument Here Rogozin comments it. http://www.kommersant.com/p917043/r_...ept_of_Russia/ If someone reads Russian official statements by MFA and President, it is wierd to read about that there are only two sides in conflict - bad Georgian armed forces and Russian peacekeepers plus Russian civilian citizens. There are no words about South Ossetian paramilitaries, volunteers from other parts of Russia etc. I would like you suggest to read the commentary I posted earlier 1more time. http://www.jamestown.org/edm/article...cle_id=2373294 |
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