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I'm somewhat surprised it took this long for the USAF to try and get in the COIN game.
Good idea.
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It will be interesting to see where this concept goes, not that it is necessarily new. Hopefully it doesn't wind up in the circular file.
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This is just one of many efforts. Maj Gen Charles Dunlap is leading a conceptual attack on 3-24 (mostly, in my opinion, because of the Air Force's institutional interests). He advocates a model of counterinsurgency which relies on stand off force. After all, the firepower model worked so well in Vietnam. I believe this is a reflection of the Air Force's proclivity to equate war with servicing targets. Strategic success comes from destroying the "right" targets. Any time that doesn't work, airpower true believers contend that either the right targets were selected or "political" concerns kept them from effectively destroying the right targets. After all, we wouldn't want to mix politics and war.
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I suspect Dunlap would argue that it worked in Afghanistan--the use of firepower with locals. Of course, that kind of overlooks the fact that we have not solidified strategic success there.
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This whole discussion brings to mind LtCol Nagl's comments in Learning to Eat Soup With a Knife on how slow military organizations can be to learning and adapting based on the demands of the day. An IW-specific Air Wing now 6 years into Afghanistan and 4+ years into Iraq... I'm doubtful that this force will have much influence on either of these conflicts, but maybe the next IW conflict in the future?
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LTG Wooley is an impressive officer, and I am confident he'll push AFSOC in the right direction. Additionally, we don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water. Those smaller fire power platforms could be essential if we start putting smaller U.S. elements in remote, uncertain environments to work with host nation forces. The ability to call for a more surgical (and of course available) fire power platform will be essential to enable this strategy. It is an unfair characterization to compare special operations air platforms with big blue's bombers dropping naplam on villages. The Special Ops platforms should be relatively surgical. I think we need a capability beyond our little birds to provide CAS in an urban environment, and to disrupt insurgent activity in their so called safe havens. I agree with a population centric strategy, but we still need the stick, and the sticks that AFSOC are looking at are probably appropriate. |
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What will be interesting to me is seeing how much traction this gets in the AF proper. AFSOC isn't really considered part of the "big Blue" force, and this could set off something of a turf war within the higher ranks. We'll see. It would be a shame if it did, because there are some good ideas in the paper.
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Dunap would argue that but President Karzai and the Shura would beg to differ considering that the UN estimate that the same number or more Afghan civilians have been killed in airstrikes than Taliban this last year. Airpower is not a direct applicaton COIN tool, it is supposed to be a tool to support ground forces that execute the military aspects of bringing the population to our side ... because this article, if true and it looks true, can't be good for the reputation of precision airpower in COIN. Quote:
I love the AF but I have to ask ... is the great Sheik of Kafiristan, Lt Milo Minderbinder working airstrike deals with AQ for war carpets again!? In light of the potential negative impact a JDAM has on the community its striking I again ask, so hows that COIN airpower working out for us so far? Its definately keeping our losses down but is that the principle mission?
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I'd much rather have a few squadrons of these aircraft instead of using fast movers to bomb the locals. Cheaper for one.
Dunlap is off his rocker IMO.
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FYI. Lt Gen (SEL) Wurster is taking over AFSOC from Lt Gen Wooley.
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