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SWJ Blog - Organizing for Counterinsurgency at the Company and Platoon Level by Captain Jeremy Gwinn, US Army.
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Dave and Bill,
I'll be wanting to double tap this one for CALL. I already have a slot for it in Vol 7 of the Company-level SOS series. Send me the good Captain's email please. Best Tom |
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A good post, well done CAPT Gwinn.
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Great article.
We have some outstanding leaders growing in our ranks. I am glad CPT Gwinn will be in the GO ranks when my little warriors dawn the uniform.
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Definitely a great piece!
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... it was a real pleasure posting this piece - job well done. Tom Barnett thinks so too.
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the old folks will just leave 'em alone...
![]() Good find and glad Tom's picking that up for CALL. |
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James Joyner at Outside the Beltway - COIN at the Company and Platoon Level.
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Please! We can't always wait for the "professionals" to arrive (assuming that they ever would...). His comment on SF organization is also disingenuous. CAPT Gwinn isn't saying that regular forces should BECOME SF; he's saying that they could use bits of their organization to improve what they have to work with NOW.
Depending on higher-level attachments as Joyner seems to advocate is a recipe for getting nothing done. Sure, you're not going to have "experts" at the company and platoon level, but recognizing the need and, more importantly, organizing and training to fill what you can is certainly better than doing nothing and waiting for "higher" to take care of it. One of the baseline ideas in COIN is making the "line soldier" aware of what's required and then giving him or her some of the tools to make that happen.
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My favorite from Joyner's apologia pro bureauratii
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I guess we should not tell Joyner that small tactical units are in fact doing this and its working!
Hat tip to CPT Gwinn who has taken the time to write it down in a way that communicates the "how" and "why". Efforts like his help units hit the ground running vs. waiting for higher echelons to provide solutions. It also adds to the larger discussion about what we do! |
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We have been working this for some time. CPT Gwinn wrote it in a way that captures much of what we have been training and doing. And the comments about the futility of waiting for higher to help out are on the mark, especially when it comes to intel and developing local situational understanding. Joyner misses that point entirely.... Best Tom |
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Organizing Small Units for COIN
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![]() He's obviously unaware that the world has changed since DS/DS. The 11-Bushes today are doing what the mighty Scroll Rangers used to do and said Ringlers are doing what the SF Hot Teams used to do and so on. What he misses is that the kids will do what they're trained to do and while the US Army has absolutely mastered the technique of cramming two weeks instruction into six weeks, that is slowly changing and can be changed even more with a slight push. Bill Slim said it well; any well trained infantry battalion can do most things the so-called elite units do. He obviously doesn't know that many units are in fact doing what Gwin recommends and did. As you say, tick, tick -- he offers another excuse for sitting on hands and letting the world fall in around someones ears. Whatever happened to "Never explain, never complain, always be five minutes early and do something even if its wrong?" He's out to lunch. Outside the Beltway sounds more like the bureaucracy inside it... |
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I have seen so many foreign militaries miss that point, usually because their "elite" forces are merely labeled as such because they have a catchy name, a badge that says they can fall out of airplanes, or perhaps a mission to suppress the public. Where we advanced in the 80s and 90s from the hollow Army of the 70s was focus on basics. That still applies but the basic set has morphed. Best Tom |
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Don't forget tailored skin tight combat fatigues and impossibly 'cool' sunglasses.... no 'developing world' SF would be caught without them. Cheers Mark |
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Well written, I especially like the part about having a CA specialist position at the platoon level reporting directly to the platoon leader.
Selecting the individual based on "maturity and organizational skills" does indeed make much more sense than selection according to rank. |
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I would want alot of flexibility, that once these basic skills are attained and working well with some elements, select squads (crews) at the Bn level can be assigned to other sectors of the AO for mentoring/intruction, on-the-spot without running up and down the Command grid - i.e. Cpt of A Co requests Cpt of E Co to send over a crew of his best cultural men, as too many of his men are having trouble mingling with the locals- that sort of thing. If it's going to be from the ground up, the chain of command is going to have to be fractured to a certain extent (probably alot). As the lads on a crew I once ran told me, "we have the time if you have the balls"
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Happy to say that CALL Newsletter 08-05 Company-level Stability Operations, VOL 7 Organizing for COIN went up today. It included CPT Gwinn's article as well as imput from CPTs Kranc and Holzbach.
Best Tom
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