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The Times of London has a story from a trial of three al Qaeda ops who were disseminating info for al Qaeda in Iraq.
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Jamestown Foundation's Terrorism Focus, 22 May 07:
Al-Qaeda's Media Doctrine: Evolution from Cheerleader to Opinion-Shaper Quote:
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-spread of internet even to poorer regions. While not everybody has internet and computer in targeted areas there are enough of them for owner to get these tapes and either screen them for wider audience or copy them to VHS. -internet is harder to censor than traditional media so message (including video) can spread to countries where it would be hard to smuggle and distribute ordinary videos or print underground newspapers -with OEF AQ lost host country where they could operate freely. so if you can't teach recruits how to make and plant bombs etc you make instruction video. Not as effective but better than nothing -
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General James Mattis - Attacking the al Qaeda "Narrative" by Jim Guirard at the SWJ Blog...
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It also worries me. I think back to Dubya's frequent use of mufsiduun (well, really the English evildoers) way back when. I remember well the nearly universal postmodern sneering at this sort of talk that ensued around my university, at cocktail parties, in the Western media generally. And I'm sure the same thing would happen all over again if our government or military tried talking that way again as a deliberate matter of policy.
Maybe it doesn't matter, but maybe it does. I don't know exactly how attuned your average Mahmoud is to the discordant din of public discourse in the West, but I'll bet that whatever edge such an alternative lexicon might potentially have, it would be substantially dulled by our own cacophany over its use. It might even backfire. It would be one thing if Muslims themselves naturally developed this alternative lexicon, but I'm pretty nervous about us trying to adopt it as a deliberate tactic. |
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You know, some if the lingo like "Irhabi" is making its way into the ISF lexicon - when I first got there ISF (who spoke some English) when talking to Americans either said Ali Baba (picked up from U.S. troops during 03/04 or simply the terrorists. On the back side I heard IA patrols calling into their BN TOC reports of Irhabi, and in discourse between IA and IP at their Joint targeting meetings.
When Al Jazeera and Islamic state officials such as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, etc, clerics, sheiks and mullahs, can with confidence and without fear of losing power, use this type of lexicon to describe AQ and like activities - it will have the desired effect. Until then, it may only meet with marginal success. As such I think our Strategic Communications and public diplomacy to our Arab & Muslim partners, friends and allies must encourage them to see and understand how we view these activities and to issue public condemnations in the strongest language that challenges the religious beliefs the Irhabi cloaks themselves in. On the tactical level, I think using the appropriate terms does resonate. When I say tactical I mean the interactions with local officials, HN Security forces, and everyday people on the street during patrols. Hearing it, even from an American as a vocal expression, or on a hand bill - particularly if they are already thinking it anyway, raises the issue and may lead that person to question where they had placed terrorist activities in the context of their faith and life. It also creates an opportunity for dialogue. Your next tip, or the tip to an ISF may come from somebody vocally raising that doubt about what is good and what is bad. I've had some interesting conversations with both English speaking Arabs and through an interpreter while patrolling about our role in Iraq, the future of Iraq and what is right and wrong. I'd also add that our understanding of these words is fundamental to interaction and understanding our common enemy. |
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Both points well-taken, Rob: I see how discrete promotion of that lexicon in Riyadh, and its use on the ground in Baghdad, can be quite helpful. You've helped me focus my nervousness: It would be with hearing it come from White House Press Secretary, or from a prominent U.S. senator talking to our media. To everything, there is a time and a place.
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It's good news that the terminology is being adopted. But the key term is "munafiquun." About the only thing the Dems and other leftists have gotten right is that there is a civil war. Of course, they don't understand that it is a civil war within all of Islam. When the man on the street begins to describe the Taliban and Al Qaeda as "munafiquun" we'll be a lot better off.
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The problem with using 'the lingo' on the street/tactical level is it comes across as phony and affected and can have an adverse impact. These aren't common terms used every day to begin with and are subject to all kinds of interpretation and meaning by the common person. Infidels and islamic esoteria don't mix well and the same can be said of most cultures, like the wannabes wearing turquoise jewelry and Indian attire believing they will come across as hip and cool and in the know about Indian culture(s) and be more readily accepted. From my Peace Corps days I remember a couple of Black Americans who despite their good language skills and cultural awareness were always spotted as non-Africans when they wore local attire - the kids would hit on them for hand outs as fast as they would on Whites and more than one African told me they could always spot a Black American no matter they were wearing. Good info to have, these terms, but caution is needed in exploiting them.
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Hi Goesh,
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Marc,
The point I was trying to make (poorly) is that the goal of our IO should be to have the Moslem community adopt these concepts, especially "munafiquun."
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Hi JW,
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Hi Marc,
Actually, I think that's occurring. I've read a number of anecdotes in various places where, as an example, sheiks and tribesmen in Anbar refer to the "irhabi."
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I'll categorically state that as of 2006 in both Ninewa (Tal Afar/Mosul) and Anbar (Ramadi), "irhabi" is used constantly by the locals to describe AIF/AQIZ.
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The focus should be on a truly Muslim IO campaign (if we can convince any of our allies to think, plan and execute such) toward developing/reinforcing these concepts among the mainstream believers, hopefully to eventually trickle down to and influence the fringe, or at least introduce some distance between the two. Cheers,
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