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My top ten, in no particular order, restricted to the gunpowder age: The Rif War (1911-1927) Egypt in Yemen (1962-1967) Syria in Lebanon (1976-1990) Sri Lankan civil war (1983-present) Haitian Revolution (1791-1804) Vendee Revolt (1793-1796) Second Chechen War (1999-present) Ukrainian/Makhnovist insurgency (1917-1921) Mozambican war of independence (1964-1975) Indonesian war of independence (1945-1950) |
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Afghanistan I Civil War: Mujahideen, Taliban 1978 2001 Algeria I War of Independence 1954 1962 Algeria II Opposition to Bella 1963 1963 Algeria III Fundamentalists 1992 . Angola I War of Independence 1961 1974 Angola IIa Angolan Civil War 1975 1994 Angola IIb UNITA Warfare 1998 2002 Argentina Coup 1955 1955 Azerbaijan/USSR Nagorno-Karabakh 1988 1994 Bangladesh Chittagong Hill 1972 1997 Bolivia I Popular Revolt 1946 1946 Bolivia II Bolivian Revolution 1952 1952 Brazzaville Ia Elections 1993 1993 Brazzaville Ib Factional Warfare 1997 1997 Burma I Communist Revolt 1948 1989 Burma II Karens 1948 . Burma III Shan 1959 . Burma IV Kachins 1960 1994 Burundi Ia Hutu Coup Attempt 1965 1965 Burundi Ib Hutu Rebellion 1972 1972 Burundi Ic Hutu/Tutsi 1988 1988 Burundi Id Hutu/Tutsi 1991 1991 Burundi Ie Hutu/Tutsi 1993 2003 Cambodia Ia Khmer Rouge 1970 1975 Cambodia Ib Viet Intervention 1978 1991 Cameroon War of Independence 1955 1960 Chad FROLINAT 1965 1997 Chile Army Revolt 1973 1973 China I Com Rev: Final Phase 1945 1949 China III Cultural Revolution 1966 1969 China IIa Tibet 1950 1951 China IIb Tibet 1954 1959 Colombia I La Violencia 1948 1958 Colombia II FARC 1964 . Costa Rica Civil War 1948 1948 Cuba Cuban Revolution 1956 1959 Cyprus Ia Greek/Turk Clashes 1963 1964 Cyprus Ib Coup/Turk Invasion 1974 1974 Domin Republic Dominican Civil War 1965 1966 Egypt Free Officers' Coup 1952 1952 El Salvador FMLN/FDR 1979 1992 Ethiopia I Eritrea 1961 1993 Ethiopia II Tigray 1975 1991 Ethiopia III Ogaden 1977 1978 Georgia I South Ossetia 1990 1992 Georgia II Abkhazia 1992 1993 Greece Greek Civil War 1944 1949 Guatemala I Coup 1954 1954 Guatemala II Guatemalan Civil War 1960 1996 GuineaBissau I War of Independence 1963 1974 GuineaBissau II Coup 1998 1999 India II Hyderabad 1948 1948 India III Naga Revolt 1956 1997 India IV Sikh Insurrection 1982 1993 India Ia Part/Kash/In-Pak War 1946 1949 India Ib Kashmir 1965 1965 India Ic Kashmir 1988 . Indonesia I War of Independence 1945 1949 Indonesia III Acheh Revolt 1953 1959 Indonesia IV PRRI Revolt 1958 1961 Indonesia V PKI Coup Attempt 1965 1966 Indonesia VI East Timor 1975 1999 Iran I Kurds/Mahabad 1946 1946 Iran IIa Iranian Revolution 1978 1979 Iran IIb NCR/Mojahedin 1981 1982 Iraq I Army Revolt 1958 1958 Iraq II Mosul Revolt 1959 1959 Iraq IIIa Kurds 1961 1970 Iraq IIIb Kurds 1974 1975 Iraq IIIc Kurds 1980 1991 Iraq IV Shi'ite Insurrection 1991 1993 Israel/Palest Unrest/War of Indep 1945 1949 Jordan Palestinians 1970 1971 Kenya I Mau Mau 1952 1956 Korea Korean War 1950 1953 Laos Pathet Lao 1959 1973 Lebanon Ia First Civil War 1958 1958 Lebanon Ib Second Leb Civ War 1975 1990 Liberia NPFL 1989 1997 Madagascar MDRM/Independence 1947 1948 Malaysia Malayan Emergency 1948 1960 Moldova Trans-Dniester Slavs 1991 1997 Morocco I War of Independence 1952 1956 Morocco II Western Sahara 1975 1991 Mozambique I War of Independence 1964 1975 Mozambique II RENAMO 1976 1992 Namibia War of Independence 1966 1990 Nicaragua Rev/Contra Insurgen 1978 1990 Nigeria I Biafra 1967 1970 Nigeria II Maitatsine 1980 1984 Pakistan I Bangladesh 1971 1971 Pakistan II Baluchi Rebellion 1973 1977 Paraguay Coup Attempt 1947 1947 Peru Shining Path 1980 1999 Philippines I Huks 1946 1954 Philippines II NPA Insurgency 1969 . Philippines IIIa Moro Rebellion 1972 1996 Philippines IIIb Moro Rebellion 2000 . Romania Romanian Revolution 1989 1989 Russia Ia First Chechen War 1994 1996 Russia Ib Second Chechen War 1999 . Rwanda Ia First Tutsi Invasion 1963 1964 Rwanda Ib Tutsi Invasion/Genoc 1990 1994 Sierra Leone RUF 1991 2002 Somalia Clan Warfare 1988 . South Africa Bl/Whit, Bl/Bl 1983 1994 South Korea Yosu Sunch'on Revolt 1948 1948 Sri Lanka II Tamil Insurgency 1983 . Sri Lanka Ia JVP I 1971 1971 Sri Lanka Ib JVP II 1987 1989 Sudan Ia Anya Nya 1955 1972 Sudan Ib SPLM 1983 2005 Syria Sunni v. Alawites 1979 1982 Tajikistan Tajik Civil War 1992 1997 Tunisia War of Independence 1952 1956 Turkey Kurds 1984 . USSR I Ukraine 1942 1950 USSR II Lithuania 1944 1952 Uganda I Buganda 1966 1966 Uganda II War in the Bush 1980 1986 Vietnam I French-Indochina War 1946 1954 Vietnam II Vietnam War 1957 1975 Yemen Southern Revolt 1994 1994 Yemen North I Coup 1948 1948 Yemen North II N. Yemeni Civil War 1962 1970 Yemen South S. Yemeni Civil War 1986 1986 Yugoslavia I Croatian Secession 1991 1995 Yugoslavia II Bosnian Civil War 1992 1995 Yugoslavia III Kosovo 1998 1999 Zaire/Congo I Katanga/Stanleyville 1960 1965 Zaire/Congo II Post-Mobutu 1996 . Zimbabwe Front for Lib of Zim 1972 1979 |
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The Hukbalahap war in the Philippines is a huge one. It should be one of the great examples of how to do COIN properly, but it's relegated to the margins because Malaya was roughly contemporaneous and made a bigger splash.
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Not in priority:
Indonesian Confrontation - campaign in Borneo (1960's) Dhofar Province, Oman (1965-1975 note Oman, helped by Iran and UK) Imperial campaigning along North West Frontier (till 1947) Rhodesia / Zimbabwe War (1966-1979) Post-1947 campaigns in India (little known and still current) davidbfpo |
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As successful as Syrian stabilization operations were in their day, I vote we don't copy this one! |
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Katangese Secession in early post-independence Congo? Great mercenary stories from that one, and it definitely has had long-term impact on that part of the world.
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Yep. Good friend of mine, now deceased, helped plan and execute it with Tshombe. And then repeated the act in 1964. that would be Fred Vandewalle, Tam Tam #1. le Tam Tam was the newsletter he used to send out to all of those old Congo hands. His book, L'Ommengang on the Simba rebellion is excellent if you can read French and find a copy. |
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Egads, I had this as a question on a midterm this semester. I would have given a tooth for this list about a week ago.
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Tom, the big secret I'd give an arm and a leg to find out more about is the Tshombe 1968 rescue rumor -- that a bunch of mercenaries rescued him somehow and brought him to Rhodesia, although he died shortly thereafter.
I think it became the basis for the movie "The Wild Geese", which is one of those classic late '70s action flicks. |
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I remember the flick. It was big in the skydiving community at Ft Bragg. As for a rescue, I just don't know. Certainly is possible although I always found the actual mercs were of much lesser quality than protrayed by film or Mike Hoare. Makes great myth and film. But for the guys like Fred VdW or DV Rattan who were with these guys up close; they were very much a mixed bag.
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Just a couple to add to it;
The Lower Canada Rebellion 1837 The Red River Rebellion 1869-70 The Metis or North-West Rebellion 1885
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That's were Edward Lansdale earned his status COIN expert and propelled him to Vietnam. I just read Edward Lansdale's Cold War:Culture, Politics, and the Cold War by Jonathan Nashel. It's interesting becuase it talks a bit about all the ways Lansdale is remembered and all the ways his legacy is used by different communities. Also what about King Philip's War? I believe that was the bloodiest conflict per capita ever fought on North America. Last edited by relative autonomy; 11-16-2007 at 01:38 PM. |
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Also the so-called "Indian Wars" of US history
Pequot War (1635-1637) King William's War (1689–1697) Queen Anne's War (1702–1713) Chickamauga Wars (1776–1794) NW Ordinance War (1787-1795) Sullivan's Expedition (1779) "Tecumseh's Wars" a. First Creek War (1813-1814), b.First Seminole War (1818-1819) Black Hawk War of (1832 Second Creek War (1836) Second Seminole War (1835–1842) The Cherokee War (1838-1839) Great Raid of 1840 Antelope Hills Expedition (1858) Red River War (1874–1875) Puget Sound War (1855–1856) Dakota War of 1862 (1862) Colorado War (1863–1865) Red Cloud's War (1866–1868) Comanche Campaign (1868–1874) Black Hills War (1876–1877) Nez Perce War (1877) Pine Ridge Campaign (1890) I think these wars are especially important for Americans to consider today. If the begining of the UK and France's COIN experience was in their colonial, then the American equivalent for Americans in, frankly, the conquest of the Native of American tribes. 26 of 30 US Generals who served in the Philippines between 1898 and 1902 served in the final "Indian Wars." John Nagl, in Learning to Eat Soup with a Knife, talks about how the US fought some many for these wars but American generals, wanting to feel like equals to European Generals, still emphasized standard main force tactics and didn't really codify much in the way of any foundational and uniquely American COIN doctrines. Still the histories of these wars are interesting and overlooked. |
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Yes, I should have mentioned Louis Riel, every bit the equal of Sitting Bull in his oratory skills and ability to cross cultural barriers with a message - he remains a hero to the Metis, at least up in N Dak that I'm aware of anyway and no doubt many First Nation folks up there hold him in high esteem as well
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One of the things that's been troubling me in many of the analyses of various COIN ops is "desired endstate".
Many of the TTP proffered by various COIN experts of the past are applicable when the endstate is permanent (or relative permanent) administration, but not when you're trying to establish an independent entity capable of governing itself and not bothering its neighbors. Indian Wars TTP quite often worked because the future of the various tribes was irrelanent to the endstate. Eventually, "real 'merkins" were going to dominate all of the natives and totally subjugate them permanently. For colonial powers, the endstate was similar, even if not so extreme -- UK, France, NL intended to administer colonial areas indefinitely, so their relationship to the indigenous populations and their development of enduring institutions was different than it was in, say, Malaya, where the intent to grant independence was declared relatively early on. This is also one of the critiques I have for LTC Campbell's excellent paper on Making Riflemen from Mud. What works in situations where you want to leave may be different from those situations where you want to stay. Sorry for the ramble. Hope this makes sense. |
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Hi Old Eagle,
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Me too, but when I hear "Officers who wish to remain anonymous are suggesting that democracy may not work in Iraq," I suspect that the COIN experts have figured out there's a reason why it hasn't been done before.
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Hi RA,
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I really think it is important to separate out the process from the form since the deal with related, but different, cultural factors. Insisting on a "democracy", and a particular form of it at that, was, IMO, one of the greatest blunders in both Afghanistan and Iraq. In my mind, a lot of it comes down to concepts of "legitimacy", which is a slippery cultural perception.
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