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[Smith-Mundt] prohibits domestic dissemination of information designed for foreign consumption, ostensibly so as to ban "domestic propaganda." Yet in this age of instant and global communication, expecting to prevent such public information from reaching Americans is unrealistic and technologically impossible.Go read it at http://www.heritage.org/Research/Nat...ity/bg2089.cfm |
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I'm left thinking... And?
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I thought the purpose of smith-mundt was to restrict propoganda from the military and empower the press to cover without coercion.
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S-M was less about protecting tender American ears and more about getting the message out to counter what was seen as highly effective Communist propaganda and to fix what was seen (not without substantial merit) crappy U.S. propaganda (when it existed).It has been misinterpreted. The law was never intended to apply to DoD |
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In some ways, that is moot - common law traditions have a way of reinterpreting themselves over the years, and S-M has come to mean no propaganda, period. It would probably take a Supreme Court decision to reverse that interpretation now.
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Why would you want Propaganda in the United states to be broadcasted. a Channel like al_hurra is certanly not designed for American consumption. I am certanly offended by the fact that the Arab speaking americans like me need propaganda to get our mind straight. its just ludcrious to think that we need propaganda. what are you saying, that we are somehow less americans than you? do we require propaganda to be patriotic?
sorry my english sometimes is not the best and this is my first post. Cheers, Abdul |
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It is quite common here in the states to find that many immigrants from every part of the galaxy prefer and tend to watch a majority, if not all of their TV, news, etc in their own languages. Thats right I said Galaxy, What do you thnk the SciFi channel is for?
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The enemy is allowed to use any form of communication in support of their objectives designed to influence the opinions, emotions, attitudes, or behavior of Americans. And there is not enough being done about that. Last edited by Cannoneer No. 4; 12-06-2007 at 07:01 PM. |
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We did not call it “propaganda,” for that word in German hands had come to be associated with lies and corruptions. Our work was educational and informative only, for we had such confidence in our case as to feel that only fair presentation of its facts was needed.8 --George Creelfrom Propaganda: Can a Word Decide a War? by DENNIS M. MURPHY and JAMES F. WHITE http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usawc/P...umn/murphy.htm |
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Except as provided in section 1461 of this title and this section, no funds authorized to be appropriated to the United States Information Agency shall be used to influence public opinion in the United States, and no program material prepared by the United States Information Agency shall be distributed within the United States. This section shall not apply to programs carried out pursuant to the Mutual Educational and Cultural Exchange Act of 1961 (22 U.S.C. 2451 et seq.). The provisions of this section shall not prohibit the United States Information Agency from responding to inquiries from members of the public about its operations, policies, or programs.There is no more United States Information Agency. Lawfare sucks! The Smith-Mundt Act of 1948: Comments, Critiques, and the Way Forward by Bryan Hill |
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As far as "empower", also wrong but not an unsurprising view. It was to protect the free press. S-M was to protect not only the First Amendment right but also the profits. The fear of coercion wasn't there, just the thought of being overwhelmed or marginalized by expected competition from a government news service (feared follow-on leg to shut down papers was implied but not really discussed). |
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The key here is the phrase "a concerted set of messages aimed at influencing the opinions or behavior of large numbers of people". Propaganda is regularly unleashed on the American public by politicians and special interest groups, it is not just the property of an amorphous "enemy". Furthermore, calling what the US Government, as a whole, produces Strategic Communications" is somewhat of a misnomer - Brownian Semantics (aka mindlessly wandering all over the semantic map) would be a better term .Abdul, you raise a good point, but let me toss one back at you. Part of becoming an American involves adopting certain attitudes and perceptions (it's one of the reasons why I won't take out US citizenship - I'm an inveterate monarchist ). These perceptions and attitudes fit in with that idea of "a concerted set of messages aimed at influencing the opinions or behavior of large numbers of people" or propaganda. Now, I'm not saying that that means that you, or anyone else, has to adopt specific attitudes towards specific events (like believing that the Iraq war is a "just war"). Those types of specifics aren't required by the oath of citizenship, and propaganda aimed at establishing them is certainly subject to question. At the same time, the de facto restrictions imposed by current understandings of S-M have a tendency to muzzle one source of "facts" in an ongoing discussion in US society - something that actually is against the attitudes implicit in the oath of citizenship. This is even worse when you get into the problem of language (something Canadians know all about !). The founding fathers of the US assumed that all public discourse would always be in a common language and that citizens would learn that common language. For a whole slew of historical reasons, there are now large parts of US society who do not speak English (the assumed common language) well enough to fulfill their obligations as citizens so there is a real problem. In Canada, we solved this partly by adopting a policy of official bilingualism (read "illiterate in both official languages" ). In the US, language is still a hot button issue and I doubt that we will see an official bilingual (or multi-lingual) policy at the federal level. So, how are citizens going to fulfill their obligations if they can't access large parts of the debate?
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I am making do with the term strategic communications while waiting for somebody to coin a better euphemism. Many terms and concepts held over from the Industrial Age prevent us from thinking and communicating clearly about new threats we face in the Cognetic Age. For example, propaganda does not fit today’s decentralized information-communication environment because we associate it with the centralized control and management of information and communications that reflected the concentration of power during the Industrial Age. With the advent of the Internet and globalization, this concentration of power no longer exists in the hands of the few; indeed, many people now have access to it. This shift in power is the defining feature of the Cognetic Age. Moreover, considerable negative baggage has attached itself to propaganda, a word continually used to describe almost any activity having to do with influencing perceptions, whether for good or ill. This intellectual burden stifles our ability to fight ideological war by tying our minds and tongues to the dogmas of the past. -- Lt Col Bruce K. Johnson, USAF, Dawn of the Cognetic Age |
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I finally had a chance to read through Juliana Pilon's Smith-Mundt article and it really has very little to do with Smith-Mundt. Very little. I agree completely with Kim Andrew Elliott's assesment.
Most of the problems she describes as caused by Smith-Mundt simply aren't. The example she draws from the Djerejian Report (available here) on USAID has nothing to do with USAID. Oddly, the testimony she pasted into her report hints at USAID not being covered. "Almost none" was the answer given when the USAID administrator was asked about how much of his budget was for public diplomacy. The prohibition, if you read the report, is not about Smith-Mundt, but about the administration of funds, earmarking, etc. The point that USAID does not to public diplomacy is at the heart of this lynchpin example: it does not communicate what it does, within the US or outside. Pilon unfairly blames Joe Duffy for the dissolution of USIA and gives the master horsetrader involved, Madeline Albright, a pass. There's more here than she acknowledges and I'm not even sure why she mentions this. Perhaps her biggest leap is not separating what is said and what is done. There is no prohibition against telling America what is being done. Smith-Mundt narrowly, and more broadly by incorrect interpretation as I'll get into in a later post, prohibits telling what is being said. She quotes from BBG chair James Glassman who also gets it wrong. Quote:
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The media is "half the battle" but the examples Pilon cites have nothing to do with Smith-Mundt. From her arguments and her concluduing recommendations, she seems to want transperancy more than increasing the effectiveness of American informational capabilities. |
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If we're talking about propaganda, reading Galula is useful, from page 14 (also on my blog):
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. All a euphemism does is substitute one term for another while hoping and praying that the negative emotional connotations of the real term don't shift over to the new one. This is, in many ways, a silly exercise as can be witnessed through the vast variety of euphemisms developed over the past 50 years that seem to change every week.Let's agree to disagree on this one.
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