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The 3-15 year sentence range for treason and espionage (noted in OP and in above article) seems a bit light - no.
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Not too sure how to comment here as I worked right next door to him for several years. Honestly, the only thing I ever saw pass his desk was EFTO
![]() Our PFP and subsequent NATO days had me pining away for a job at the local kindergarten (although the free trips to Paris and Brussels were not that bad during the winter months). He may (now) be a modern day Russian puke, but a spy and seller of secrets? If he and his better half get 15 years, they'll both have died of natural causes before their time runs out. Gotta be something better to do with them than tie up the judiciary system, having 60 year-old folk watching videos in prison
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So, I'll wait on the evidence - realizing that US prosecutors usually do not pull the trigger on these cases unless they have good evidence - the case itself raises too much bad PR for the nation to be other than very careful. Quote:
If they are guilty (which I would not directly ask them), their solution is to work a plea bargain - giving up everything they know. If they are candid, damage assessment is easier and would justify a lighter sentence. You're right about another thing - facing prison in your 60s ain't the way to go.
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The latest in the Simm case made it to the papers this morning. Declaring Simm received 1,000 euros a month (but without indicating just how long he had received payments, or, how he received them).
The Interior Minister is quoted as saying Simm did not lead a luxurious lifestyle, but continued, that one can purchase smaller things and need not purchase land to be rich. The amount of these payments has now cast doubt among both the defense and prosecuting attorneys as quoted in Õhtuleht. EDIT: Yet another paper (considered the source of the above article) indicates that the justice department would not have arrested Simm based on the facts above. Päevaleht also discloses Simm's MOD salary and Police pension. Both figures much larger than what he is accused of secretly receiving. Not looking good for a spy novel !
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there (must be ?) (should be ?) more meat.
1. His real estate holdings (much cited in initial articles) seem to be family, at least in part: Quote:
2. As to the money, the English language article is too laconic - here As I glean Estonian (which ain't much), the key parts to the money story are here: Quote:
-------------- Odd that he would have admitted to the espionage as some stories have said. Wonder if that is true ?
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![]() However, the average educated professional here barely makes what Herman received after more than 10 years at the MOD. Most middle class folks clear 10 to 12,000 each month ($1,000.00). I understand as of Friday afternoon, Herman has admitted to nothing.
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I think we should indulge ourselves here in the presumption of innocence, until some better evidence turns up - e.g., Swiss bank account, ideology or an admission by Herman. One wonders if Herman made some enemies when he was a cop ?
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This article reviews the case, but provides little in new evidence other than the alleged radio mentioned in the second paragraph. The article also outlines the interest in the case by NATO Security - damage assessment time. So, if that part of the article is accurate, someone did something very bad.
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European Code procedure works a bit differently from our criminal procedure. The accused is detained (not necessarily under conditions of probable cause as we know that concept). The case is assigned to an investigative judge who has powers akin to a one-man grand jury. The time interval can be long between that assignment and the issuance of what is equivalent to our indictment. In some ways, the European procedures resemble the DTA and MCA procedures.
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I was wondering why the EU or NATO allows that level of access to former Soviet era cadres. How did this guy get to this level?
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not really enough known here to make any sensible determination and that is unlikely to change...
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The parliament member's statement is way off. The dude was already behind bars before Georgia happened. Even after Georgia's short war, the communications between MFAs were little more than various requests for assistance. Some of us responded faster than others to include open press releases - certainly not classified assistance. I don't doubt for a second we have Russian spies recruiting here, but I have a real hard time with the potential for over access to what NATO calls sensitive. To echo Eric's comments, What ever happened to "a need to know" regardless of one's security clearance levels?
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I thought you'd chime in with some facts. Nothing I've seen so far causes me to leave my suggestion in post # 8:
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That being said, I do plan on following this case wherever it leads. I have seen a lot of speculation on the Net about Herman, including some "conspiracy theories". I have not reported them because the sources are questionable. Of one thing, we can be fairly well assured. We won't (shouldn't) see NATO Security's damage assessment report.
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From The Sunday Times
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It may be all true (or all false); but I can sit back and be patient.
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The suspense is killing me
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the transmitter twin of this receiver - SLR-M Scott Marine Radio Receiver (WWII vintage), which works fine (despite its alternative use as a 50 lb. boat anchor) - except for those odd signals emanating from the Tallinn area.
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I prefer Collins or Hallicrafters but have a Kenwood and Yeasu.
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Had a Collins for years but never had the cash for a Kenwood.
I have this mental picture of the radio system Rene used in Allo Allo under granny's bed ![]() ![]() ![]()
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![]() Back in that day (mid-1950's), Hallicrafters SSB was the receiver - among our remote-area amateur radio people. Regardless of its merits, the Scott opened up the wide world to me - VOA, RFE, BBC; and Radio Moscow's English service. The last taught me how fleet of foot you had to be to be a "good SovCom" - one month, the announcers would be praising Program X; the next month, they would condemn it. When I read Orwell's Animal Farm and 1984 a few years later, the agitprop process was very familiar.
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