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COIN Perspectives From On Point
Lessons Learned in Iraq by Sergeant Michael Hanson, USMC COIN Perspectives From On Point (Full PDF Article) Quote:
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Hell of an article.
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The author effectively addresses several serious flaws in our operational and tactical strategy, and he proposes a daring course of action.
After reading the article, it trigger the following thoughts: 1. Our military is still overly focused on Force Protection, and it limits our ability to take the fight to the enemy effectively. This is a case where political considerations (casualty rates) have once again won over the correct tactical employment of our forces to win this type of war. 2. His high risk proposal of deploying numerous small units to saturate an area is classic, but unforunately too daring for our military. I have to disagree with one of his points though, he said said the terrorists wouldn't know where we're at, they would just know that we could be everywhere (paraphrasing), so their freedom of movement would be severely limited. U.S. military forces in an urban environment for he most part would still be identified by the locals, and that information could be relayed to the enemy by suportive locals. This tactic is still sound, but we can't assume invisibility in an urban environment. Another option to expand upon his concept to develop local forces that are capable of using this strategy. 3. We're overly focused on the IED and IED cell/network. We're spending billions of dollars to protect ourselves from this threat as he pointed out, yet in doing so we are in many ways making the IED more effective. Sometimes I see parallels in our response to the IED problem to our response to the German submarine threat during WWII. The submarine threat was a much greater strategic threat than the IED, and there was considerable effort put forth to develop technologies to mitigate this threat. It was an appropriate effort in this case. Developing new armors, jamers, etc. to counter IEDs should be pursued in a similiar effort, but it shouldn't be the main effort. If we put half that effort into defeating the insurgency, instead of the IED we would have a much greater impact on reducing IED attacks (as noted in the relatively secure areas). It seems to me we're looking at the IED as though this something completely new, yet it has been around forever. We used to call them booby traps and mechanical ambushes. We developed tactics to pacify an area, thus we defeated this threat by defeatng the enemy, not their tactic. Now we seem to be focused entirely on the IED and the cell that emplaces it. Great article. |
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You're of course correct that it will not generally work for us in an alien urban environment and that the HN folks will have to do it in such a locale -- but it will work in rural areas. In all cases, the factors of METT-TC apply... Quote:
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Good job, Sergeant Hanson Last edited by Ken White; 11-29-2008 at 08:08 PM. Reason: Typo |
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Sgt Hanson and SWJ have been back and forth on this article - he put his heart and soul into the writing - even with our nags about this and that and stuck with it - job well done Marine!
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Gotta applaud this guy for his effort. What I find frustrating is that what he is saying has been being said by many people for a great many years, yet still nothing is done.
Anyone who has studied the current set of infantry problems, knows how to solve them. All the equipment and TTP answers are out there, and have been for many years. Infantry science is mostly "doctrinal archaeology". Quote:
36 fire teams just breaks the span of control, so does 9, so some intermediate command level is needed. Lots of research in this area. Platoons are not military inventions. They are products of human nature. However if you flexibly task organise platoons as 3-6 fire teams, or use sub task 2-3 teams into sections, you are getting to what the Australians, Brits and Israelis do in practice. It works. This also loves a lot of weight issues as well. ... I think we may have discussed this all before somewhere...
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Wilf, I have beeen waiting for you to comment on this Of course it is a good paper it was written by a Sergeant!
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I wish I could write and fluently and easily as he does. Very accessible style, and an object lesson is writing the way your audience hears. I can quibble with the detail, but not with the purpose and the intent.
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"I don't care if this works in practice. I want to see it work in theory!" ![]() - The job of the British Army out here is to kill or capture Communist Terrorists in Malaya. - If we can double the ratio of kills per contact, we will soon put an end to the shooting in Malaya. Sir Gerald Templer, forward to the "Conduct of Anti-Terrorist Operations in Malaya," 1958 Edition |
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I caution against putting too much weight into the statement that insurgents "only fight when they have the advantage". My experience is that small cells will attack larger units in hit and run in order to slow them down and to allow a "swarm" style attack when possible. I feel that insurgents not so much only fights on their terms, as they only fight on their turf. Go into insurgent territory, and they will fight. For all this, it is a very well written paper that reminds me a lot of my own unpublished concept paper on infantry.
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I've seen exactly the same thing several places:
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Generally if a unit has its act together and looks like they really know what they're doing, the insurgents will avoid contact. I've seen that repeatedly even when they outnumbered the COIN force. METT-TC, as always...
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It is also important to note that the concept of an advantage is based on the attackers perspective. Many of these insurgents have some street smarts and the older ones have gotten pretty good at staying alive, obviously, but they often don't have any real training. They may have learned do things through trial and error or gotten lucky a time or two. That does not mean they really understand the situation. When they do attack, it may well be that they think that they have an advantage, whether they do or not. I read somewhere that fighting professionals is easy because they are predictable. Fighting amateurs is harder because they just don't know what they are supposed to do. We really need to find a better class of enemy.
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An easy to read and IMHO accurate article, Good Job.
I do have maybe one quibble or concern as it might be. Although breaking down into smaller yet still effective groups would likely be effective however how much consideration should be taken of the fact that it also leaves those particular forces open not only to ambushes by larger enemy force but on another note possibly much more susceptible to percieved or enemy IO driven accusations with little actual capability to protect themselves from the aforementioned. This would seem more probable in places other than the west. How do you make sure that your "good works" don't end up misconstrued by those who constantly seek to see things other than they are already?
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If so, I think the Colombian's have the right answer; a few forensic teams on strip alert ready to fly to and investigate any incident, gather evidence and report it honestly and rapidly to the world press... |
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And yes thats what I meant Quote:
Also which one is more likely to be accepted?
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Has anyone suggested Sgt. Hanson read some of Kitson's work on intel driven ops with small units? Might be enlightening and help shape some of his thoughts.
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Been that way in the world since the 50s. The NKVD / MVD / KGB did their job well. ![]() A bigger question is; does it really make that much difference who's believed in the long run? I think not. Results matter.
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Remember the tracking thread? Sometimes it has application in crime scene investigation and reconstruction if the scene is on ground that holds tracks pretty well. Track evidence of someone entering the scene to plant evidence.....often looks like track evidence of someone entering the scene to plant evidence.
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What is really depressing to a history type like myself is how much of this is familiar. We keep seeing the same problems over and over, and have to relearn the same lessons (empower our NCOs...don't carry tons of gear...etc.) each time.
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