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Besides the obvious overlap and repetition of effort the military is an interesting entity to be attempting the most flexible thinking form of war in repelling a cyber attack. The article refers to suits and ties being more prevalent when Mountain Dew and "Mountain Man Chocolate" would be more appropriate. Cyber warfare by definition is almost always an asymmetric form of warfare. Cyber warfare draws on all of the thinking of perpetrating and protecting from an insurgent or guerilla form of warfare. The attacker in cyber-warfare uses the enemies strengths and tools to defeat him. The counter insurgent is required to assess the goals and methods of the attacker and close if not disrupt the patterns of attack. Due to the asymmetric nature of this form of warfare doctrinal and normal warfare strategies will fail to stop the insurgent. In an interesting twist the Westphalian concept of a nation state will come back to haunt those nations when the cyber adversary has the means and will to attack the nation state. The concepts of Westphalian peace specifically set roles for nations that hamper specifying a particular person as an enemy rather than the nation-state sponsor. When there is no nation state sponsor the treaties and agreements fall like a house of cards. (I have a paper pending on this topic). Cyber warfare as a militarized arm promotes an idea that the nation may be at war (as constitutionally mandated) when instead it is at odds with a variety of assailants some of whom may be totally unaware. Since infrastructures can be taken over and used without the knowledge of the owner (including countries) a huge political issues exists. Here again the concepts of counter insurgency inform us for the future on how to deal with non-state actors operating out of friendly or victimized countries. Diplomacy is a sliding scale of force and persuasion. We have to work with the people who possibly may have harmed us as unwitting dens of insurgent operations. We as a nation don’t have a good “rules of engagement” in cyber warfare and our understanding of the international relations and climate is severely hampered by our current conflicts. The military does have some good people at the different academies who can inform them on technical aspects of cyber warfare. There are people at the NSA sanction NSF funded Centers of Academic Excellence. Historically though few academics have studies offensive weaponization of cyber space and even fewer understand the military mind set. It will be interesting to follow the different aspects of this story as it moves forward.
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Great catch, Sam !
The Estonians will be working with the 8th Air Force and pointed me to this site for Cyberspace Trust, Careers, Battlespace and Cyberspace ![]() Quote:
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I knew this was in the works, since one of our NCOs is trying to get back to Barksdale to join the provisional command. Interesting stuff.
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Besides the fact they are going to be having a meeting at Maxwell AFB a site of dubious consideration (see other posts in SWC for more on this), Posted by selil
I keep telling you guys Slapout,Al. is the Cultural Center of The Universe If you think 4GW is something wait till you SBW... Slapout Based Warfare
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The Air Force is way ahead of everybody else on this. Though I have two army LT's that are being asked if they want to go visit USAF brethern (Their both information security specialists).
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"There's going to be a huge contracting requirement," said Maj. Gen. Charles Ickes II, Air National Guard special assistant to the deputy chief of staff for operations, plans and requirements. "I don't think anyone can tell you how big," he told the Northern Virginia chapter of the Armed Forces Communications and Electronics Association's Air Force information technology conference Dec. 5." "Ickes, Santee and Col. Anthony Buntyn, the cyber command vice chief who is expecting his first star, said the Air Force will look to industry to provide "tools" for "real-time" processing and dissemination of attack information." |
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Trying to create a catch all thread.
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The ramp up and media blitz to justifying the Air Force Cyber command has began.
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This is an interesting take on propaganda and information warfare though titled cyber warfare. It is interesting to note the intersection of free speech and the Internet which has been becoming much more frequent.
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It is interesting to note the kind of fear mongering and reliance on service disruption to describe cyber warfare. Few if any are looking at the other elements such as confidentiality being exploited. Imagine if all the politicos in Washington had their medical records exposed? Considering the security services any asymmetric attack against a nation using computers is going to have to be through more than one vector.
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A good over view of Cyber Storm II and good read out on Cyber Storm 1. But ,unfortunately it will be primarily a table top exercise with limited real world problems (only a few systems according to the article will actually be attacked). The illuminates the issues of training in this type of environment. Few if any people would suggest soldiers should be sent into combat having never fired real bullets, never ran around the range, done a confidence course, or otherwise simulate combat environments. Yet when it comes to computers we do exactly that in the training and evaluation.
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The hyperbole continues and will likely increase further as we get closer to October 1, 2008. This article (short as it is), starts to link kinetic damage to cyber damage, and brings in the transnational aspects of cyber warfare. Still nobody seems to really be getting the doctrinal issues and that that fighting cyber warfare isn't like dropping bombs, or other stand off weapons. Cyber warfare in my opinion is like counter insurgency.
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This article is interesting. I thought it might be a lot like the Bin Laden interview by 60 minutes right before 9/11. We've gone, seen the enemy, and he looks a lot like a bunch of kids.
What is interesting is the capitalistic nature of the hacking. They aren't just doing it for political intrigue they are getting paid. That is more worrisome as the fiduciary incentive will outlast political motivations. More importantly if the allegations are true then you have almost a "letters of marquis" or buccaneer of the internet kind of relationship between the hackers and government. That is an interesting threat. More at the LINK Quote:
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The Chief Master Sgt. follows several of the points I've been making about war fighting domains (though I call them terrains). This is more of the media blitz leading up to the new cyber command (provisional) opening up. He also appears to notice the skills/support gap for troops that are doing this kind of work.
What is missing is a tactical road map and a good idea about the trans national nature of this new form of warfighting (sic). I wonder where we could find people skilled in dealing with models of insurgency? If anybody knows Chief Master Sgt Kabalan I'd like to meet him or the commanding officer of Cyber Command. From a story posted here Quote:
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This is an interesting article. When I started reading it I thought 'Ah a don't forget me I support Cyber!' but I don't think that is what it says. I think what it says besides a really good summation of cyber warfare at the beginning is that the acquisition for the new command all future equipment is going to be "new". That is an understatement. Invoking Moore (a really great guy) doesn't impress but knowing that flexibility beyond pandering to the word will be a key strategy.
Unfortunately I'm seeing a huge monster bureaucracy being created and in this cyber world where asymmetry is key I see large army, large air force, type thinking starting to take hold. I don't think the Air Force is seeing the hypocrisy of trying to solve an "insurgency" type conflict with "carpet bombing" thinking. From a story posted HERE Quote:
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This could have been a much better story if it wasn't dropping into the realm of scare tactics. Though the criticism is likely warranted, with all the money that has spent, the paradigm of information assurance and security hasn't changed much.
Though simplistic the analogy is we designed the auto industry, but we've fallen behind everybody else who are now driving George Jetson air scooters. I hate to say it but some of the under current of this article supports the idea that maybe culturally we will never be able to secure of utilize cyber space it is just to much of a change at this time. More at the link Quote:
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Slashdot does not reflect the "hacker" culture but they most definitely reflect the YUG's (young uppity geeks). The "I can argue about Play Station, X-Box, and Wii, and PWN you", group is unfortunately where Air Force Cyber Command will likely start pulling recruits.
For the rest of us I'd look at the language of this and think about the "close air support" role end the effectiveness of the Air Force in dealing with other services. Then I would suggest to the higher up in each of the other forces to think about the Air Force determining the linkages of all the command and control (as in their words) they are the leader in cyber-space. Enjoy the interview some of the questions are quite well thought out. Others show the standard audience of Slashdot (which includes me!!!) For a view into the heck of geekdom follow the link. Slashdot interview with Air Force General Link
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Military commanders should consider reports like this and think back to what does it mean if the enemy has access to all of your deepest military secrets. Consider the tightening of public disclosures of information and the rampant use of states secrets to secure data. Then balance that on the wholesale loss of control of massive amounts of data (or minimal dos it matter?).
Don't fall for the fear mongering that most security analysts would drive change or new initiatives with instead consider how simplistic the attacks are (trojan in an email for example). Almost no security service that does not degrade capability and uniformly degrade information technology services is going to work without people not doing stupid things. When you think about all of the intersections between information technology services and the command and control infrastructure (technical or not) the issue rapidly becomes not when it will be attacked (peace or war), but how and how much it will be attacked. The same way telegraph wires were cut in WW1 (denial of service), the same way encryption was broken (confidentiality), and the same way that information operations injected errors in the enemy command and control (integrity). I wonder where you can find people who know how to fight asymmetric attacks against large infrastructures and political organizations? Original Article Here Quote:
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The PLA have a BN sized element (it may be more) dedicated to hacking other countries systems. One area at least in the Corps we seem to pay lots of lip service to but not actual action is cyber security. I can't count how many CO's on various operations "had" to have access to the internet for convience. Their day to day is only done on NIPR. Classified systems are secure because its a closed system, that is it connects to itself. In most cases any intrusion would have to physically come from the system itself, that is the hacker would phyically have to have access to it.
Back to unclass systems. Its attitudes and lack of training that usually allows these intrusions. One of my biggest rubs as a Comm type has always been the way the my fellow non-Comm. types viewed my specialty. In the Marine Corps at TBS its beat in your head that if your not combat arms your nothing. Many officers come up with that sort of mentality, and what I have seen is a perception that you are weak because your not a "meat eater". As far as the Pentagon goes I can't speak for them. Like I sai I'm willing to bet its a lack of enforcement and attitude (those computer guys are a pain in the butt) that probably led to this. My last word on perceptions and attitudes; I knew a LtCol now Col, who was told by his base CG that he was the one of best officers he ever had, and even presented him with a pretty high medal. When that CG ranked him, he ranked him last. When the officer confronted his boss on this, his boss told him he doesn't have to talk to him, he's just a Commo...and those in manpower and leadership positions wonder why things like this happen and their best leave to go work for GD or NG. |
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