Interesting how the same question is being asked, all across the American political spectrum.
America’s Coming Civil Unrest? H.R. 645: National Emergency Centers Establishment Act.
theCL 2010-10-13 America, Economic, Survival
http://the-classic-liberal.com/ameri...blishment-act/
http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2010/03/0...-civil-unrest/There’s so much uncertainty and anger over so many things – California’s budget cuts, civilian trials for 9/11 terrorists, scandal after scandal in Washington and of course, ObamaCare – that a little civil unrest in the coming months wouldn’t surprise me.
Strong words. Of course, it’s not something I want to see. Those of us who grew up watching TV in the late sixties and seventies have had our fill of strikes, riots and general chaos. It’s not a society we want for our children.
But history doesn’t care about what we want. It just happens…
A scrimmage in a Border Station
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Two thousand pounds of education
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Max Kesier Interview, in his usual entertaining style but he raises some good points.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls0
IapIGhjg&feature=player_embedded#at=574
Yup, 'wars and rumors of war' but that's part of the fun of this forum : weeding out the spikes in weirdness from the usual sine wave of fear & loathing (see also "most likely and most dangerous threats").
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43389933...rts/?GT1=43001MISSOULA, Mont. — Federal and state agents are searching a 30-square-mile swath of rugged Montana forest for a former militia leader following a shootout with sheriff's deputies, authorities said.
David Burgert, 47, exchanged gunfire with Missoula County sheriff's deputies along a logging trail Sunday after a slow-speed chase near Lolo, officials said. No one was hurt.
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A scrimmage in a Border Station
A canter down some dark defile
Two thousand pounds of education
Drops to a ten-rupee jezail
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"The Prophets Of Doom" is on HBO tonight, check your local listings. I highly,highly,highly recommend you watch this. It is not your normal Nostradamus 2012 end of the world stuff. More of a hard nosed Civil-Engineering approach to our problems. But I admit, I am biased this was done by a former LAPD Detective He uses the Joe Friday method......"Just The Facts Mam."
If you caint watch it here is a link to lower quality version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gi53...eature=related
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/...om-california/RIVERSIDE (CBS) — Is the state of California about to go “South”? Riverside County Supervisor Jeff Stone apparently thinks so, after proposing that the county lead a campaign for as many as 13 Southern California counties to secede from the state.
Stone said in a statement late Thursday that Riverside, Imperial, San Diego, Orange, San Bernardino, Kings, Kern, Fresno, Tulare, Inyo, Madera, Mariposa and Mono counties should form the new state of South California.
The creation of the new state would allow officials to focus on securing borders, balancing budgets, improving schools and creating a vibrant economy, he said.
A scrimmage in a Border Station
A canter down some dark defile
Two thousand pounds of education
Drops to a ten-rupee jezail
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http://www.news9.com/story/15272659/...onwide-manhuntDUNCAN, Oklahoma -- An ex-marine and Oklahoma militia man sparks a nationwide manhunt. Law enforcement leaders say they're afraid he is heavily armed and will do something drastic.
See also
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86-PeQ-tVTA
A scrimmage in a Border Station
A canter down some dark defile
Two thousand pounds of education
Drops to a ten-rupee jezail
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Time for the SPLC to gin up the fear again.
FIFE LAKE, Michigan - Nearly 10 years after Sept. 11, security analysts say new threats are emerging from modern-day militias, whose members pack rifles and practice survival tactics preparing for eventual battle right in our own communities.
“The militias in effect are the … people (who) really specialize in engaging in paramilitary training in the woods and those kinds of things,” said Mark Potok, who studies militias for the Southern Poverty Law Center, a nonprofit civil rights organization in Montgomery, Ala.
Read more: http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/nationa...#ixzz1XPaxpdPN
Meanwhile, someone else is feeling neglected too.
http://moonbattery.com/?p=1807Phoenix-based Nuestros Reconquistos claims that there will be a war very similar to the Civil War fought in the next five years. “La Raza and MEChA have already talked to Latinos and Phoenix and explained that Latinos need to arm themselves for war,” says Nuestros Reconquistos President Manuel Longoria.
A scrimmage in a Border Station
A canter down some dark defile
Two thousand pounds of education
Drops to a ten-rupee jezail
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you sucked me into this one - Fife Lake (near Traverse City) is almost Yooper (though still "Troll" since south of the Bridge ).
I do know a number of people who are adept at explosives and have more than basic competence with firearms - the two most popular local military institutions in our four-county area have been the Sapper company and Navy CB unit. I know even more people who are very adept at the use of firearms - whether members of a number of local sportsmens clubs or not. NRA members (including myself as a Life member since the 1970s) abound.
That being said, I can honesty say that I don't personally know anyone who is a "militia member". A son of a friend of mine and my father (the friend being a BS recipient from WWII) may have been involved in a militia unit (non-violent) to the south of us (strictly from the media).
In short, Mr. Potok and his opinions do amuse me - when I see him on cable. But, I don't think Mr. Potok would like me or my friends.
Regards
Mike
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An armed populace is not a threat to a nation.
Government that seeks to oppress or disarm an armed populace is a threat to a nation.
The true "fourth branch" of government that keeps the other three from over-riding the checks and balances contained in the constitution. Every good bit of law needs to come with an enforcement function to make it work. That function for the constitution is an armed, informed populace that is free to assemble, vote, and speak their mind. Best part is, it doesn't cost the taxpayer a dime.
Robert C. Jones
Intellectus Supra Scientia
(Understanding is more important than Knowledge)
"The modern COIN mindset is when one arrogantly goes to some foreign land and attempts to make those who live there a lesser version of one's self. The FID mindset is when one humbly goes to some foreign land and seeks first to understand, and then to help in some small way for those who live there to be the best version of their own self." Colonel Robert C. Jones, US Army Special Forces (Retired)
Mr Potek & his friends have an unhealthy agenda behind their veil of good works. They wouldn't like me, either.
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Meanwhile, file this under "No Charges".
http://news.yahoo.com/longshoremen-s...144921214.htmlLONGVIEW, Wash. (AP) — Hundreds of Longshoremen stormed the Port of Longview early Thursday, overpowered and held security guards, damaged railroad cars, and dumped grain that is the center of a labor dispute, said Longview Police Chief Jim Duscha.
Six guards were held hostage for a couple of hours after 500 or more Longshoremen broke down gates about 4:30 a.m. and smashed windows in the guard shack, he said.
No one was hurt, and nobody has been arrested. Most of the protesters returned to their union hall after cutting brake lines and spilling grain from car at the EGT terminal, Duscha said.
A scrimmage in a Border Station
A canter down some dark defile
Two thousand pounds of education
Drops to a ten-rupee jezail
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A little better coverage in The Seattle Times. That picture embedded in the story is worth 10,000 words. Curious thing is that both unions, the current one and the one the terminal operator wants to bring in, are under AFL-CIO. Going to set a bad precedent if no charges are filed above and beyond the initial arrests.
Our nation has a long history of violent labor protests, often initiated by unions, but with the mood of the country nation wide I can see this spreading if it is not effectively suppressed. I also can't help but wonder if some folks in the White House aren't cheering this on to achieve political objectives.
Union violence nowadays is particularly problematic because it's a sign of weakening power, not increasing power. With higher union membership, there would be less incitement to violence because those who would benefit from union activities would be able to achieve their goals through non-violent means. But union membership, as I understand it, is down and shrinking, which leads to violence because those goals can't be met.
A scrimmage in a Border Station
A canter down some dark defile
Two thousand pounds of education
Drops to a ten-rupee jezail
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Um... now, let me preface this by saying that I'm very much in favor of gun rights. But to say that an armed populace is not a threat to a nation doesn't really make sense. Of course it's a threat to a nation--that's the whole point, as you outlined yourself in the paragraphs following. An armed populace is an explicit threat that if the government of the nation fails to execute its duties properly, it will be removed.
The problem, such as it is, is that the entirety of the armed populace isn't in agreement about what proper execution of government duties consists of. In a less beneficial sense, a subsection of the armed populace can be just as much of a threat--as in, actual threat, not enforcer of the national will--to the nation as, say, nineteen guys and two airplanes can. It's as unwise to turn a blind eye to that sort of threat as it is to turn a blind eye towards union violence.
What concerns me on a personal level is who the most vociferous gun-holders are. If they had their druthers, people like me would be as unwelcome as if those nineteen guys had gotten theirs.
This is a peculiar myth that seems to be strong in the U.S. only, likely due to NRA lobbying.
There's not even a dismal chance that empirical analysis of history will support this myth.
Oh, and before someone asks; the other, associated myth that an early action of all new dictators (including Hitler) is to disarm the population is wrong, too. Gun control laws were passed in Germany in the late 20's already, and multiple dictatorships around the world tolerated rifle and other arms possession by civilians.
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