In The USA: the Next Revolution

[Fuchs]

we have the best Justice system ever created.

Sarcasm?

[Bill Moore]

Sarcasm?

You jest? What system in the world can be better than one that:

1. Privatizes part of its prison system not only to gain efficiency, but to produce financial incentives to put more people in prison? And it is so successful they lobby Congress to produce tougher laws to keep prisoners in jail longer? Only the Chinese have more people in prison than we do, so maybe their system is better, but we're darn close to being the best!

2. What system can be better than one where the outcome of case can be manipulated the media even before the trial begins? Put enough media pressure on the system and we can bend the legal process to appease the crowds whether they're yelling for blood or to free someone.

3. What system can be better than one that recognizes a white collar worker on Wall Street getting caught with Cocaine is relatively minor, but a young, poor black kid caught with a little crack a few blocks away will have to hard time?

4. I can't think of a more rational system than one where the federal government removes the ability for the judge to determine appropriate sentences based on the total context of the crime and person. We're so superior we removed judgment from the legal process by mandating stiff minimal sentences for minor illegal drug charges and the favorite "three times and your out."

Its perfect in every way, and once marked as a criminal they're always felons, which makes it harder to get a job, easier to get back in prison, and that in turn creates more profits for our privatized prison system, which creates a larger tax base (if they pay taxes), produces more jobs, and more lobbyist groups to further influence the legal system.

It's the bestest system ever.

[Bob's World]

Perhaps our justice system is a bit like democracy - the worst possible system except for every other system.

Rule of law is a relatively easy task; justice however is an elusive commodity to achieve in the best of systems.

[Fuchs]

the worst possible system except for every other system.

You probably didn't compare with a lot of other systems, though.

Few if any Western European justice systems come close to piling up so much fail.

The U.S. justice system is a strong contender for the worst justice system in the First World.

For starters, I don't recall any West European justice system executing innocents. I also don't recall them producing such a stark contrast between criminals who can afford a lawyer and those who cannot. I just stumbled over this today; one really needs to close one's eyes to not learn about such defects.

I've also never heard of any European getting sent to jail for 20 years because she fired a warning shot.

[ganulv]

I've also never heard of any European getting sent to jail for 20 years because she fired a warning shot.

You’re underinformed on that one [LINK].

The rest of your comments I largely agree with.

[Bob's World]

Fuchs,

As I clearly implied, we are far from perfect, but I have to wonder, is your condemnation of the American legal system, or of the European media freedom?? ��

[slapout9]

Despite the fact that every Communist Revolutionary Warfare propaganda technique was used to pollute the facts of the case before trial.The fact that a jury of adults listened to the evidence and then followed the law and came to the only proper conclusion possible shows how well the system works as long as it is in the hands of educated adults. This system will only work when all citizens are properly educated in their responsibilities to make the system work.

[slapout9]

You jest? What system in the world can be better than one that:

1. Privatizes part of its prison system not only to gain efficiency, but to produce financial incentives to put more people in prison? And it is so successful they lobby Congress to produce tougher laws to keep prisoners in jail longer? Only the Chinese have more people in prison than we do, so maybe their system is better, but we're darn close to being the best!

2. What system can be better than one where the outcome of case can be manipulated the media even before the trial begins? Put enough media pressure on the system and we can bend the legal process to appease the crowds whether they're yelling for blood or to free someone.

3. What system can be better than one that recognizes a white collar worker on Wall Street getting caught with Cocaine is relatively minor, but a young, poor black kid caught with a little crack a few blocks away will have to hard time?

4. I can't think of a more rational system than one where the federal government removes the ability for the judge to determine appropriate sentences based on the total context of the crime and person. We're so superior we removed judgment from the legal process by mandating stiff minimal sentences for minor illegal drug charges and the favorite "three times and your out."

Its perfect in every way, and once marked as a criminal they're always felons, which makes it harder to get a job, easier to get back in prison, and that in turn creates more profits for our privatized prison system, which creates a larger tax base (if they pay taxes), produces more jobs, and more lobbyist groups to further influence the legal system.

It's the bestest system ever.

Bill, most of what you point out are not defects in the Justice system of Cops, Lawyers and Judges it is a defect in the LEGISLATIVE system. I never made any Laws I just enforced them. Most people becuase of poor citizenship training do not pay any attention to how our laws are made or which Laws are being made....many don't even know how they are made.

[slapout9]

Bill Lind Speech from 1998 on Political Correctness. Notice the video tape subtitle "Next Revolution". Also PC is well documented as a Communist Subversion Technique.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...Gctxe81E#at=33

[Bill Moore]

Bill, most of what you point out are not defects in the Justice system of Cops, Lawyers and Judges it is a defect in the LEGISLATIVE system. I never made any Laws I just enforced them. Most people becuase of poor citizenship training do not pay any attention to how our laws are made or which Laws are being made....many don't even know how they are made.

I'm not talking about our judicial system, but our legal system, which is consists of multiple systems including our legislative system. I can't see the logic of separating the legislative process from the discussion if that is where the majority of the fault lies (in your opinion)? I think activist judges are equally at fault, and this all ties into your arguments about political correctness.

As for political correctness the Soviets were masters at infiltrating and manipulating our universities, and while they'll deny it to the very end our COINdistas are largely a product of the political correctness agenda they pushed. Most of us are aware of the book burnings, speech control and other Nazi like measures employed by the far left, but we would mistaken not to recognize that the Christian Right also promotes a form of political correctness. Both are dangers to our Constitution. If a middle America exists that doesn't want government interfering in their personal affairs and beliefs they better start mobilizing politically before left and right wing social engineers destroy the beliefs imbued in our Constitution. If the middle is to weak or apathetic to make a stand then we deserve the government we get.