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    Default NDTV report

    No US nationals? The report doesn't mention any of the things I posted. It didn't present the statements of the shipping company.

    It says that the ship entered the waters illegally. What defines the waters? The NDTV report is different from the 12 miles mentioned above. Was the ship asked to follow the Coast Guard into Indian waters or are the Indians policing waters further out? Again, help from someone that knows about this stuff!

    Why didn't the reporters ask for a statement from the company in the report? It presented only one side. Or did I miss it?

    http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/new...tionals/294740
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    It is rather intriguing that the Sierra Leone registered ship should take contraband diesel, when it could have taken it legally from a Port.

    There appears to be more than what meets the eye.

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    Default Indian prison hell of Scots pirate hunter

    Tomorrow, the 33-year-old of Connel, near Oban, will find out if he will at last be freed on bail from Puzhal jail in the Indian city of Chennai.

    But an account of the drama, written by one of Billy’s crewmates, reveals the squalid and degrading conditions in which the seamen are being held. It also reveals how Billy and his colleagues were tricked by Indian police, who told them they were being taken to hospital before locking them up in jail.

    (Billy's father says) We’ve been failed by his employers, AvanFort. We’ve been let down by the Foreign Office and we have no faith in the Indian legal system.
    Link:http://www.sundaypost.com/news-views...unter-1.172483

    Found via an e-petition calling upon UK government to help:https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitio...cdA_ovjhrGDbim
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    Default Billy Irving: Scottish man held in India granted bail

    A BBC report:
    A former British serviceman who has been held in prison in India since October has been granted bail. All six Britons have been in prison in India since 24 October. It is not yet clear if the other five men have been granted bail.
    Link:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-26748266
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    Is it surprising that westerners pretend life is so unjust in third world countries and its jails?

    There is a programme on one of the Western TV channels that show the horror of non western jails.

    Am I to understand the western jails are resorts for the jailed?

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    Ray you asked:
    Am I to understand the western jails are resorts for the jailed?
    Prison regimes in the West greatly vary, I am sure there are websites that rate prisons.

    In the UK there are irregular press stories that certain prisons, referred to as "open" are relaxed to say the least; in the USA some federal prisons are "Club Fed" IIRC and can host VIPs, such as Spiro Agnew, once a Vice President.

    I do recall a once popular saying, international I expect. "If you cannot do the time, don't do the crime". Some convicted criminals I encountered found non-open prisons here were OK, few seemed to be deterred by their time there.
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    Default Slowly moving along

    An update as Indian justice takes time to move:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34095843

    During the BBC's investigation more people came forward to comment on AdvanFort."I'd say the company are more crooked than the pirates we are trying to stop getting on the ships...The lads out there in India, they're totally innocent, they haven't done anything wrong and the company is just letting them drift" said Dave Taylor, a former employee.
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    Default Still on bail in India awaiting trial: an update

    You may remember back in October 2013, I started this petition asking William Hague to help the 6 British Ex-Soldiers have been Imprisoned in India.

    It breaks my heart to say that today, over 2 years later those 6 men still remain in India and The British Government still have not helped them.

    In April 2014 they were finally released on Bail, despite bail being granted in March 2014- My partner Billy Irving, is one of these men and, along with the others, has devoted his live to protecting people, working in the Indian Ocean on Anti-Piracy operations. I was there to meet him outside Puzhal Prison Gates on the day he and the other men were released. It was a huge sigh of relief for all the men and their families to finally be out of prison but they still had a long way to go.

    Bail conditions meant the men had to attend the police station twice a day to show they were present. They were unable to leave India. They were receiving no wages from their employer and with no visa they were Unable to work. Costs soon mounted up for the men having to pay for accommodation, food, travel, legal fees, yet not be earning. So in July 2014 you can imagine the ilation when all charges were dropped. Everyone celebrated and we all looked forward to the home coming. I returned home to Scotland to discover I was expecting our first child, and for once it seemed like everything would be ok.

    This wasn't the case....On August 26th a appeal against the quashing of charges was filed.

    The men had asked the FCO and British government for help to get the relevant documents and their belongings back from the Indian Police and to return home but the FCO were less than helpful, and continually said " We cannot intervene in another countries judicial process" Despite the fact all the charges had been quashed and it was stated that they were free to return home.

    On the 28th of April...8 Months after the Appeal had been submitted the supreme court finally heard the case.

    On the 1st July 2015, the Supreme Court ruled that the case has to be sent back to the original court where the trial took place to be heard in full. They have stipulated that the proceedings must be completed within 6 months.

    The FCO have been less than helpful. These men should have been home once charges were quashed but due to the FCO and British governments lack of action they remain there, unable to work, earning no wages from their company, and being separated from family.

    All the families involved are extremely distressed, The Indian Prime Minister Modi will be in UK on November 13th 2015. We asked if David cameron will raise this case with him, they replied "it is on the agenda but we cannot guarantee it will be raised"


    If the British Government does not step up its actions to have the men returned home, we have no idea how long this process will go on for, and even when they are found innocent by the courts if they will have their documents released immediately to return home.

    I now know that only public pressure will make the Government act. We want our men home and need your help to achieve this. Please sign the petition to put pressure on the Government.

    4 men have also set up a funding page to help with legal fees and accommodation while being held in India. If you feel you would like to help them, as little as a pound will go a long way

    http://gogetfunding.com/bring-our-lads-home/
    Link:https://www.change.org/p/william-hague-help-free-the-6-british-ex-soldiers-from-indian-prison/u/14120902?
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