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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    For those that feel that the US should not be sending "defensive arms" to the Ukraine ie counter battery radars, ATMs, drones --especially drones for artillery support take a look and replay this video a number of times.

    Both Russia and their mercenaries had denied over and over they shell with MLRSs civilian targets and population centers ALL the while fully blaming the Ukrainians.

    The video is blatant proof that Russia shells civilian targets with MLRSs which can be considered a "war crime".

    Kramatorsk, Ukrainian city 100 km away from war-torn Debaltseve, was shelled today. No comments. Only tears and fear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc9K...ature=youtu.be

    Reports are coming it the rockets had cluster munitions --also a war crime against civilians. where is HRW when they claimed the Ukrainians were "supposedly" using them which was disproved even by the OSCE.

    The West just keeps on talking and talking and talking as if there is not a full blown war ongoing in Central Europe.
    Russian regulars wage the contactless war to - the range of MRLS Tornado with cluster munition is 120 km.
    Smerch/Tornado is a 300mm MLRS not of the standard UA equipment strictly Russian Army
    @DajeyPetros 48.728907, 37.600916
    it came from south-east. I was watching it fall pic.twitter.com/LXglY7mfCE

    2 soldiers dead, 9 injured in #Kramatorsk shelling ATO staff via @SputnikATO pic.twitter.com/sreNJeJqB8

    Geolocating vid of attack on Kramatorsk airport, #Ukraine. Camera (red), house & water tower (yellow), strikes (blue) pic.twitter.com/H9EiEKZ2vS

    Everyone re. #Kramatorsk: Tornado is NOT a missile, but a launch system. Missiles used were 9M55K.
    Smerch/Tornado same as M270 MLRS/HIMARS.

    Yes. At least two duds, and shell with empty chamber for submunitions.

    116 countries have joined treaty banning cluster munitions. Ukraine and Russia should do the same. http://www.clusterconvention.org/ #Kramatorsk

    For those that think it is only the West that is confused about what is going on inside the Ukraine---even the mercenaries are having a hard time as well.

    SSU SIGINT intercepted cell call-in Russian


    DNR commander in downtown Donetsk discovers he is being shelled by other DNR "rebels"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBnx4YLVB7E … pic.twitter.com/nrEG3SYxA0

    Maybe this should be on the list reading of those that do not support providing defensive weapons to the Ukraine who is in the middle of a massive tank and artillery assault as the result of an actual invasion.

    We have heard three or four different reasons why not to provide defensive weapons to the Ukraine BUT we seem to have missed the disappearance of over 400M USD in military equipment sent to Yemen which is now controlled by Shia.

    But let's arm Kiev? @tnr U.S. gave Yemen $400-million worth of military equipment...Now we have no idea who has them. http://on.tnr.com/1M9b1Ha

    West does not understand, is losing #Putin's media war:
    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/02/1...nus-democracy/

    Just a side note---it seems the Russian troll world has now totally focused on social media as there is nothing coming in the form of push back from western media and the social media is scoring point after point is proving what is fake and what is disinformation.

    For a rag tag army in dire need of ATMs and especially drones and counter battery radars they are actually hanging on by sheer will power which testifies to the massive support in the background of a civil society.

    Russian troops and their mercenaries have been caught off guard and on their back foot on two offensives that caught them sleeping at the wheel.

    Russian-backed militants 'fleeing' as Ukrainian forces advance on #Azov Sea fronthttp://uatoday.tv/news/russian-backe...nt-408399.html … pic.twitter.com/rvBYp4akLz

    Ukrainian soldiers from Debaltseve frontline:"We don't have enough anti-tank weapons. Help needed as soon as possible!"
    #Statement by the Russian invasion command
    "The situation around #Lohvynove is difficult with Ukrainian forces attacking, but we hold it."
    If Russians report that "situation around #Lohvynove is difficult" then they're already losing it. Experience

    From social media today concerning the first real Ukrainian counter push to regain the Minsk demarcation line.

    A glimmer of hope – the Azov counteroffensive

    Posted on February 10, 2015

    Surprise attack

    This morning, the Ukrainian national guard force “Regiment Azov” surprised virtually the whole world when it claimed, it started a counteroffensive east and north east of Mariupol mostly along the coastline of the Azov sea. Within hours, it pierced the thin Russian line of defense some 2-5 km east of the city and retook important towns like Pavlopil, Shyronkyne and Kominternove. At the same time it took the smaller settlements of Lebedynske and Berdyanske, which over the last month were more than once the launching pads for Russian tank, mortar and artillery attacks on the Ukrainian front east of Mariupol.

    The liberated areas

    First evidence pictures came from Pavlopil, which fell to Russian forces in early December last year, breaking the Minsk agreement. Geolocable footage shows, Regiment Azov indeed regained control over the town on the eastern bank of the river Kalmius, which was often used to attack nearby Orlivske and Hnutove since then. The picture shows that the “Novorossiya” flag was replaced by an Ukrainian one early on February 10.

    —Liberated Pavlopil

    But Regiment Azov did not limit its push to the northern countryside of Mariupol. Instead, it also attacked right eastward, not halting at the pragmatically agreed on “Minsk demarcation line”, but – rightly – crossing it to recapture what Russia had stolen from Ukraine in late September last year, when it invaded Novoazovsk and the surrounding areas from the direction of Taganrog. Simultaniously to Pavlopil in the north, Ukrainian forces captured Shyrokyne, the coastal town which was captured by Russian army forces on October 17 last year and for instance the origin of a deadly Grad attack (geolocated by me) on Talakivka 10 days later. The Ukrainian push reached further inland, with Regiment Azov reporting, they had attacked the first checkpoints of the Russian stronghold Sakhanka. However, this town could not be taken immediately, but fighting rages on. The local Russian invasion command in Donetsk confirmed the offensive shortly after, however denying that Ukrainian forces had indeed overrun Shyrokyne and claiming that fightin was still ongoing in the area.

    Further north, Ukrainian troops sped down the T0519 road, reaching the next Russian-held town around 11am, named Kominternove. Ukrainian forces liberated Kominternove, however Russian occupiers meanwhile adjusted to the “Blitzkrieg”-like surpirse offensive and began firing at the town from Zaichenko to its east, injuring several people. The frontline remains between the tow towns, according to the latest information around 4pm local time in the afternoon.

    In conclusion, Ukrainian national guard forces shifted the frontline up to 11 km to the east, taking an area of more than 100km².
    Last edited by Jedburgh; 02-10-2015 at 06:32 PM.

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