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    Downed Russian Forpost drone 'reconstructed' from wreckage recovered in UA. Via @LUGANSK_TODAY http://lugansk-news.com/ukrainian-ar...6-million-usd/ … pic.twitter.com/EUoHZVelg8

    @LUGANSK_TODAY the OPTICS ONLY is about 1 million USD, stupid loss for #Russia http://lugansk-news.com/ukrainian-ar...6-million-usd/ … pic.twitter.com/31LNwrYwZ5

    BTW--it took the UA two days to fight through the mercenary held areas to get to the drone and one day to recover it fighting their way back out with the drone debris.

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    This is an interesting video as it confirms the Russian Spetsnaz have been working out of this town for a long while---this must have been the previous Spetsnaz BN that the captured Spetsnaz CPT had replaced as they do typical 3 months rotating tours into the Ukraine and the CPTs BN had come in early April 2015.

    Russian Army unit moving in the center of Lugansk equipped with “AS Val” assault riffles:lugansk-news.com/russian-army-unit-moving-in-the-center-of-lugansk-equipped-with-as-val-assault-riffles

    January 13, 2015 lugansknews

    This video was taken yesterday just in the center of Lugansk near central market. The operator was standing at the bus stop when he saw military truck parking just few meters in front of him. 2 men got out of the cabin and a group of soldiers got out of the truck, they lined up and just passed by the people. The unit was equipped with “AS Val” assault riffles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS_Val used by Russian anti-terrorist special forces. The soldiers are dressed in SURPAT camouflage used by Russian “Rys” special forces units. This is very specific type of assault rifles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Drones Company of Russian 19th Motorized Rifle Brigade in Ukraine: https://en.informnapalm.org/drones-c...krainian-trip/ … via @en_informnapalm pic.twitter.com/y6LOxLEKGO

    Saxon APC in #Ukraine with NIR camera on telescopic pole and carrying UAVs pic.twitter.com/IzaDY02GGD

    #Military training of contract #soldiers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu8ExH5fkkg

    Russian aviation & air defences combat readiness "full alert" in Central plus Western & Southern Military Districts http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150525/1066342888.html

    T-80U of elite 4th Guards Kantemir Tank Division on exercise in Rostov region (added 25 May) https://vk.com/warsonline_military_o...74637_00%2Frev … pic.twitter.com/PPJNonMRfs

    4th Guards "Kantemirovskaya" (Kantemir) is an elite armoured division:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_Gua..._Tank_Division
    http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ssia/4-div.htm
    http://english.gosu-wot.com/t-80u-ka...raining-crews/

    My piece on how the ambush & assassination of rebel leader in #Ukraine exposes LPR infighting http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/w...cle4449889.ece … pic.twitter.com/OpSBFz9P3K

    Tymchuk: Militants in Luhansk produce bootlegged alcohol
    http://www.unian.info/politics/10817...d-alcohol.html … pic.twitter.com/YUUHpsh8Y5
    Looks like 'snap' Russian aviation/air defence combat readiness alert (to coincide with #ACE2015) has rattled #NATO https://twitter.com/rumoverijse/stat...07817544806400

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    https://en.informnapalm.org/drones-c...krainian-trip/

    ‘Drone Company’ of Russian 19th Motorized Rifle Brigade. A story of their Ukrainian ‘trip’

    Main News

    Our investigation found information and photos, confirming the presence of another Russian unit in Ukraine. That is a drones company of the 19th motorized brigade (military unit No. 20634, Vladikavkaz, North Ossetia-Alania), which is a part of the 58th combined army of the Southern military command of the Russian army.

    OSINT-reconnaissance in the area of the settlement of Svobodny in the Kuibyshev district, Rostov Oblast, Russia, bordering with Ukraine, resulted into recognition of the Russian units. Through examining of VK profiles of soldiers who are serving under contract: Ales Dzhumargaliev and Ruslan Galimov, this unit was identified as drones company of the 19th motorized rifle brigade from Vladikavkaz.

    VK photo galleries of these servicemen have pictures with a geographical location on the territory of Ukraine, namely: Amvrosyyivskyi Raion of Donetsk Oblast. Not only the personal information of the servicemen, but also pictures themselves confirm that this group of people is a part of a drone company. Pictures show KAMAZ truck with special modules and a few black plastic boxes.

    These boxes are signature evidence of the Russian dones. Compare them with boxes and other equipment on this video, shot in 2014 by Russian Mir TV company.

    By the way, this video shows public flight practice of the same drone unit from Vladikavkaz. After checking friend contacts of mentioned servicemen, we have also found their colleagues from the same company. A person named Nikolay Dmitrievich Belokobylenko happened to be the most curious and open to public, since he has 3 different VK profiles: https://vk.com/id146791893, https://vk.com/id279602335, https://vk.com/id161164012.

    It is enough to examine only one profile of Nikolay Belokobylenko in order to know about his whole career path: from compulsory military service in the 141st separate tank brigade (military unit No.64514, Republic of North Ossetia-Alania, Vladikavkaz) in 2008—2009 to the present contract service in the 19th separate motorized rifle battalion (military unit No. 20634, Republic of North Ossetia-Alania, Vladikavkaz).

    The fact that Belokolybenko has been serving in drones company since 2009 is confirmed by a picture taken in Kolomna (a town near Moscow), where he was trained in a Training center for specialists of drone aircraft complexes (military unit No. 20924). Moreover, Nikolay Belokolybenko is a Youtube star, he took part in a mentioned video by Mir TV, shot in Vladikavkaz in 2014 and featuring Russian reconnaissance drone Orlan-10. In it Nikolay was called a senior crew controller (see 1:45).

    Over the last year Nikolay Belokobylenko numerously visited Donbas during his missions. This is confirmed by pictures from Donbas Arena Stadium and Tsar cannon (known to all Donetsk residents) on the background.

    Drone operators from 19th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade are usually present on pictures together with artillerists from the same brigade. This brings us to conclusion that their main task is to conduct reconnaissance of Ukrainian positions and objects of military significance to supply this information to their artillery. 19th Motorized Rifle Brigade is armed with self-propelled howitzers 2S19 Msta-S and 9К51М Tornado-G modernized multiple rocket launchers (modernized BM-21 Grad), which have modern guidance and control units and have longer destruction range comparing to their predecessors.

    Original article by Irakli Komakhidze and Krmvictory, translated by Maksym Sviezhentsev, edited by Gennadiy Kornev
    Amazing what open source can provide. If this is what can bee seen by open source as evidence of Russian troops inside eastern Ukraine JUST what are the complex ISR systems the US taxpayer paid billions for "seeing" BUT not "saying"?

    AND if they are not "saying" THEN why???
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    Canada at NATO ✔ @CanadaNATO

    #Russia attacks two neighbours. Two other neighbours react by moving closer to #NATO. Russia acts surprised, upset.

    http://www.defensenews.com/story/def...ltic/27710113/

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    Well the evenings shellings and ground attacks are starting again even though actually under Minsk 2 Western leaders are assuming ARE NOT happening because there is a "ceasefire" THAT somehow they "assume" is working.

    MAYBE someone should tell them "it ain't working".

    17:28 #Donetsk @666_mancer [FB:] "Zaperevalna St - '2 organisms in camouflage' are firing at the sky fr/AKs"

    17:07 #Donetsk @AlfaNubovsky Mortar bomb hits in Putilovsky bridge area or closer to airport in Vzletna St, "where from?"

    17:16 #Donetsk @funkermanjke Fire in reply probably, RUS are shelling fr/airport area for an hour http

    19:30 #Avdeevka @rechnikato yday's evening&night were noisy - UAV was shot down. Daytime was quiet. Evening's louder, but oks://twitter.com/loogunda/status/602873122581311490 …

    19:20 #Donetsk @tomka71268071 [vk:] Kyivsky exec committee: hits to Tochmash gatehouse & children polyclinic area

    19:00 #Maryinka @hyeva_maryinka All quiet
    19:16 #Donetsk @funkermanjke Single hit to ATB store area in Zasyadko

    19:06 #Donetsk Putilovka @Kotya875 Just now 5 mortar bomb impacts: 3 on Kyivsky Ave up to Poligraficheskaya, other further

    19:59 #Avdeevka @bamr69 'Evening is getting not that languorous', battle near #Spartak, "weapons of all sorts"

    RU forces also heavily fired on Opytne. Pisky, Dutovka mine, Krymske and Zolote also came under attack - ATO

    Ukraine observers informed OSCE of barbaric shelling of Avdiivka coke plant, hit by 77 shells
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...46&__tn__=%2As … pic.twitter.com/DfGJ9VL9Me

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    OSCE noted Ukrainian withdrawal of heavy weapons from depots.

    1. Russian GRU commandos and UAV (drone) units have been surveiling Ukrainian heavy weapons holding areas - In which case they have to be moved

    2. UA may have good reason for moving weapons: like intel that RU forces have targeted holding areas for strikes. #OSCE https://twitter.com/kjovano/status/602836054941573120

    The most important reasons outside of protecting the heavy weapons from Russian artillery and tactical missile strikes AND Spetsnaz is simply:

    They are being massively shelled and attacked and have the right of self defense, they did basically withdraw under OSCE supervision WHICH the Russian troops/mercenaries did not do AND extremely important the OSCE has been refused the right to monitor and or inspect large areas inside the mercenary held areas vs freedom of movement inside all of the rest of the Ukraine.

    So if the Ukrainians want to pull weapons out of depots because basically Minsk 2 has largely failed and Russia has not implemented a single point in Minsk 2 why not pull them out.

    Remember Ukrainian loses since the signing of Minsk 2 in Feb 2015--- in defending the contact line has been over 150 KIA, and over 240 WIA --seems to me they have bent over backwards to ensure Minsk 2 holds BUT are getting massively shelled and attacks for the last ten days from a side that is not adhering to the Minsk 2.

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    Russian propaganda has 4 Ds: dismiss, distort, distract, dismay

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    Moscow Calls on Kiev to Grant Access to Russians Detained in Donbass http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150525/1022539483.html

    Propaganda---distort, distract.

    The Ukrainian FM has stated three times since the capture the Russian Embassy has never even called them to set up an appointment to see them.

    Secondly, an independent Russian news outlet went by the Russian Embassy and wanted to ask them why they had not contacted the two POWs--answer--"go away it is a holiday".

    Does not sound like they really want to contact them--JUST the Russian FM trying to make propaganda points and distract from the two captured Russian active duty Spetsnaz.

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    The Family: A Film by Open Russia about Ramzan Kadyrov, Putin's 'Vassal'
    http://www.interpretermag.com/russia...-25-2015/#8468 … pic.twitter.com/xDftPKX6s0

    "Novorossiya as a geopolitical project to break Ukraine has fallen well short of its objective. " http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...f-novorossiya/

    Typical ethnic Russian Ukrainian who claims to be proRussian:
    #Perevalsk @protiv_voiny "Mozgovoy's murder is discussed in each shared-taxi,queue,shop. All over. No food, work, but each bewailes M death"

    Russoterrorist gangs easily enter Donbas from #Russia as easily as RU regular forces via @GirkinGirkin pic.twitter.com/7gpEBTrIIM

    Russia blocks entry to German member of parliament for being "Ukraine-friendly". German foreign ministry outraged https://twitter.com/BLZonline/status/602840176235290624

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    More now on this topic:

    Who would like to defend Face Book as being proRussian and anti Ukrainian maybe it is the Russian investments into FB or the Russian Regulator pressure—who knows but they definitely are not defending the right to free speech yet rake in millions –so exactly again which side is FB on—democracy and free speech or the millions in Russian investments?

    They blocked a photo of a grieving Ukrainian young child whose father was killed in the fighting with Russian troops under the guise of “graphic violence”?????

    Yesterday they blocked Ukrainian accounts that carried the videos of the captured Russian Spetsnaz---if one looks at the Russian Regulator's comments about extremist materials--they view anything being proUkrainian and or anti Russia ie these two videos as "extremist".

    UKRAINE TODAY @uatodaytv
    Facebook blocks more Ukrainian users
    http://uatoday.tv/politics/facebook-...rs-428335.html

    Russian Watchdog Threatens Google, Facebook Over 'Extremist' Content | News | The Moscow Times http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/a...nt/521832.html

    NOTE: all social media these days is political in nature and to attempt to refute that is simply not smart.
    Well so much for an American social media company "defending free speech".

    Seems those Russian oligarch investors have a larger influence than does American values.

    #Facebook blocks #UKROP/#Ukranian resistance group for a picture in support of #CrimeanTatars. http://zaxid.net/news/showNews.do?ad...jectId=1352687 … pic.twitter.com/SIxeVlsPmD

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    OSCE noted Ukrainian withdrawal of heavy weapons from depots.

    1. Russian GRU commandos and UAV (drone) units have been surveiling Ukrainian heavy weapons holding areas - In which case they have to be moved

    2. UA may have good reason for moving weapons: like intel that RU forces have targeted holding areas for strikes. #OSCE https://twitter.com/kjovano/status/602836054941573120

    The most important reasons outside of protecting the heavy weapons from Russian artillery and tactical missile strikes AND Spetsnaz is simply:

    They are being massively shelled and attacked and have the right of self defense, they did basically withdraw under OSCE supervision WHICH the Russian troops/mercenaries did not do AND extremely important the OSCE has been refused the right to monitor and or inspect large areas inside the mercenary held areas vs freedom of movement inside all of the rest of the Ukraine.

    So if the Ukrainians want to pull weapons out of depots because basically Minsk 2 has largely failed and Russia has not implemented a single point in Minsk 2 why not pull them out.

    Remember Ukrainian loses since the signing of Minsk 2 in Feb 2015--- in defending the contact line has been over 150 KIA, and over 240 WIA --seems to me they have bent over backwards to ensure Minsk 2 holds BUT are getting massively shelled and attacks for the last ten days from a side that is not adhering to the Minsk 2.
    Remember at the height of the last round of fighting the Russians were receiving 150 tons of artillery, mortar and MLRS munitions on a daily basis out of Russia delivered via rail and truck convoys at night.

    #Novorossiya welcomes a new shipment of Russian humanitraian aid,which is now packed in rocket form for fast delivery pic.twitter.com/UCdQuxwsnr

    Once again #Mariupol residents can hear battle from #Shyrokyne. Russians seems to have unlimited ammo, reminds me a lot of #Donetsk airport.

    @loogunda Yep, yday night guy fr Dokuchajevsk (while the big shelling) said that 90% of shelling is made by RU, only 10% is Ukr return fire

    7:57PM
    Judging by the sound, there is battle at #Pisky https://twitter.com/arthurnkua/statu...81085861732352

    20:30 #Mariupol @sir_T_Lawrence Cannonade fr/#Shyrokyne direction

    #Avdiivka 7:39PM
    As always, loud in #Spartak-#Optyne area. Our artillery 5+ https://twitter.com/bamr69/status/602876529429864449

    @Guderian_Xaba If UAF uses counter battery radars, they have no need to shell more

    @Guderian_Xaba At least UKR started to fire in reply.

    20:12 #Avdeevka @rechnikato "Machine gun fire for 1/2hr already"

    20:20 Impacts on Lenina St in Sportyvny shop area

    Also Rus Forces attacked an ambulance car near Syze. UKR forces came and repelled the attack and evacuated crew

    Missing from Horlivka Hospital since 17 April. Sergey Kotlyar, DPR (Russian forces) recon div Ryazan http://vk.com/news_slavs?w=wall-67176886_14691 … pic.twitter.com/uqwvPpJ8k4

    SBU detained the founder of a Russian fascist organization, a seller of weapons from ATO pic.twitter.com/ZRto2FDCID http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/25-may-...ussian-fascist

    #Kurakhove hearing heavy shelling, louder as usual
    8:51PM https://twitter.com/PVB40/status/602894662794407937

    The positions of 92nd brigade at #Shchastya are shelled now. https://twitter.com/Karbatovsky/stat...96970659794945

    21:00 #Avdiivka, from #Donetsk to the north, #Spartak/airport area serious fight, all calibers https://twitter.com/TopNewsUkraine/s...96909011910656

    21:03 @dertien1488 Sounds like howizers are now shelling at #Shyrokyne. Non-stop [cannonade]

    #Marinka 21:00
    Hearing (rumble) from #Krasnohorivka https://twitter.com/hyeva_maryinka

    From what we see, 'official' DPR channels are now focusing on stirring hatred of Ukrainian officials rather than on glorious tanks. A sign.

    Russian aviation and air defense forces placed on alert for tests, including on Ukrainian border
    http://www.unian.info/world/1081812-...an-border.html
    Last edited by davidbfpo; 05-26-2015 at 09:18 AM.

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    More Russian humor:

    Vladimir Putin
    A secure international border has visa-free travel for Russian tanks.
    cc @Rogozin

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Well so much for an American social media company "defending free speech".

    Seems those Russian oligarch investors have a larger influence than does American values.

    #Facebook blocks #UKROP/#Ukranian resistance group for a picture in support of #CrimeanTatars. http://zaxid.net/news/showNews.do?ad...jectId=1352687 … pic.twitter.com/SIxeVlsPmD
    Epic battle #Russia'n trolls via #Facebook vs #Ukranian users continues: Banned Boris #Filatov & @TarasBerezovets https://twitter.com/24todaynetua/sta...05007642550272

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    Can any SWJ commenter explain to me the value of having a civilian organization such as OSCE monitoring and observing in a war zone and they cannot do anything nor stop anything.

    One would think they would literally park themselves next to the Ukrainian military unit and actual spend 24 X 7 there in order to keep the Russian shellings to zero as they literally know when they leave the Russians resume shellings.

    So just stay in place and challenge the Russians to fire on them.

    But they must be back for evening dinner--so not much of any value add to anything from what I can see from their work.

    150 tons of shells and missiles are still being fired at the Ukrainians and there is nothing OSCE can do.


    #Luhansk @Ohrene_Luganda "What a work #OSCE's got! Idle in a hotel & fees are charged" pic.twitter.com/m0eL58cyy2 Here: https://goo.gl/c7uuGY

    REMEBER it was Russia that wanted the OSCE involved--now we know why--unless.

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    Shellings and ground attacks are still unabated----

    10:23PM
    #Krasnohorivka - does not subside, shooting and explosions and volleys. Already since a hour and a half. https://twitter.com/audrius1977/stat...17913260138496

    Stanytsia Luhanska now. Ruscists are firing from Vesela Hora and the bridge area. Tanks, mortars. https://twitter.com/tombreadley/stat...19165473726465

    #Shyrokno today
    This car was delivering food supplies to Ukr soldiers. Russians shot at it with ATGM. https://twitter.com/tombreadley/stat...18573460295680

    There was a battle in the evening at #Shyrokyno, now it's "quiet".
    1 Ukr WIA reported 1 hour ago.

    @Guderian_Xaba The "quiet" was reported abt 30mins ago.
    Now i read "Currently all #Mariupol shivers from volleys." - via @iMariupol

    10 Videos exposing Russian Propaganda, Myths & Lies
    @EuromaidanPR @EuromaidanPress @guardiannews @ScienceforPeace
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...gIqWUhiz4KI-cV

    Death of Novorossia: Why Kremlin Abandoned Ukraine Separatist Project: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/a...ct/522320.html

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    Shellings continued through the night and into the early morning--still ongoing as of now.

    1:54AM
    From time to time from #Pisky hearing the echoes of artillery fire. https://twitter.com/idinmor/status/602971132308893696

    3:48AM
    #Shyrokyne very noisy! https://twitter.com/dertien1488/stat...99771717054464

    4:08AM #Staroignatievka #Starohnativka
    Already since 40 minutes the village is pounded with mortars, GRADs https://twitter.com/Staroignatievca/...04836846641153

    Russia’s Expansionist Disease, by Andreas Umland @UmlandAndreas http://www.tol.org/client/article/24...t-disease.html

    This is why Putin views the discrediting of the EU to be a geo political goal-yet he does not realize it is about economic laws and regulations—80B USD fine coming at Gazprom and he does not see it coming.

    Because Gazprom is RU political tool
    #Russia perceives #EU antitrust case against #Gazprom as mere political action
    http://www.bruegel.org/nc/blog/detai...uffer+(bruegel …)

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    http://khpg.org/index.php?id=1432348106

    Almost no support for militant ‘republics’ in Donbas cities
    26.05.15 | Halya Coynash

    версія для друку »
    Leaflets circulated in Severodonetsk after it came under attack from militants in July 2014, telling them to leave the city in peace. “It is and will remain Ukrainian”

    A recent survey in two Luhansk oblast cities has found virtually no support for independence of the self-proclaimed ‘Luhansk and Donetsk people’s republics’ [‘LNR’, ‘DPR’, respectively], or for joining Russia. A majority view Russia as a party to the military conflict and want the Ukrainian military to remain in their city.

    The latest survey was carried out in Severodonetsk and Starobilsk from March to April by the authoritative Democratic Initiatives Foundation [DIF] and the Ukrainian Sociological Service, as well as by volunteers and civic activists. It followed a similar survey in the two Donetsk oblast cities of Sloviansk and Kramatorsk reported here.

    Both surveys highlighted major differences between cities that are geographically close to one another and show, as DIF Director Iryna Bekeshkina points out, that the idea of a single Donbas identity is fundamentally wrong.

    There were important differences with Severodonetsk having been both under ‘LNR’ occupation and suffered from military action, whereas Starobilsk had not been directly affected.

    In both cities the greatest fear was of renewed fighting (79% in Severodonetsk; 77% in Starobilsk). In Severodonetsk which had been under the militants, 36% said that they feared the returned of the self-proclaimed ‘LNR’, and 22% Russian invasion. Only 34% mentioned non-payment of pensions and salary against 58% in Starobilsk.

    Most interestingly, the standard bogeymen of Russian propaganda – ‘Right Sector’ and Ukrainian nationalists were feared by only 1.6% in Severodonetsk and 0.7% in Starobilsk. A mere 1% of people in Severodonetsk were worried about Ukraine joining NATO, and 0.5% in Starobilsk.

    Moscow has consistently claimed that Ukraine is discriminating against Russian speakers. Fear of this was expressed by only 1% of Severodonetsk residents and not mentioned at all by those in Starobilsk.

    Who is to blame?

    There were interesting differences in opinion between those in Starobilsk which had not been under militant control and Severodonetsk. In the latter city, 39% blame Russia for the tragic events in Donbas; the former regime of Viktor Yanukovych (38%) while only 16% see the current Ukrainian leadership as responsible.

    In Starobilsk, 58% blame the present government; 48% - Yanukovych and his people; and Russia – 41%.

    In both cities the majority see their city as part of Ukraine (Severodonetsk – 64%; Starobilsk – 67%). However in Severodonetsk the majority believe the region should have greater independence from Kyiv and broader powers, whereas in Starobilsk they want to retain the status quo.

    Less than 1% of both cities support the independence of the self-proclaimed ‘republics’. Only 2% of people in Starobilsk would want to join Russia, and 5% in Severodonetsk.

    62% of people in Severodonetsk view Russia as a party to the conflict in the East of the country, against 53% in Starobilsk. Majorities of those who name Russia as party believe that their engagement involvements mainly providing weapons, but also in the participation of Russian armed forces.

    61% in both cities want Ukrainian soldiers to remain with Severodonetsk residents wanting this presence to be permanent, in Starobilsk only until the situation stabilizes. Starobilsk residents were more inclined to name factors that they viewed as inconvenient in the soldiers’ presence, whereas in Severodonetsk which had lived under militant occupation a hefty 72% saw no problems.

    These results are broadly similar to those from the above-mentioned DIF survey in Sloviansk and Kramatorsk, but do reveal interesting differences, especially in the degree to which Russian propaganda about ‘Ukrainian nationalists’ and discrimination of Russian speakers does not seem to be taken seriously. Back in November 2014, DIF was reporting that a third of Donbas residents saw ‘Ukrainian nationalism’ as what divided Ukrainians. A proper comparison would need to be carried out to ascertain whether the difference is due to the time that has passed, or perhaps the degree to which Russian propaganda channels pushed out all other media from the cities. It was certainly the case from April 2014 that one of the first things the militants did when seizing control of a city was to cut off all Ukrainian channels and other media, replacing them with Russian.

    The findings are particularly interesting in the light of the reasons given by the Kremlin-backed militants for suspending their ‘Novorossiya’ plans. The declared suspension was almost certainly dictated from Moscow and there are varying interpretations of the motives. Clearly, however, the acknowledgement that the plans had not received sufficient support in the Kharkiv and Odesa oblasts did not go far enough. It appears support in Donetsk and Luhansk oblast cities is also extremely limited.

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    Did in fact DoS Kerry by not explicitly mentioning the annexation of Crimea during his Sochi trip actually signal the US "throwing the Ukraine under the bus" in a silent exchange for Russian support in Syria and Iran??

    Which I and others have been saying for a long time based strictly on the total silence by the US since the failures of Minsk 2 are now utterly apparent.

    In the face of the massive shellings and continuing ground attacks with the resulting ever increasing killed and wounded Ukrainian Army personnel one would have thought that at least DoS Kerry would have come up for air and state something---anything--but again utter silence and the shellings just keep on.

    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/a...ct/522320.html

    Death of Novorossia: Why Kremlin Abandoned Ukraine Separatist Project

    By Ivan Nechepurenko
    May. 25 2015 21:29
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    “The Novorossia project is frozen until a new political elite emerges," said Alexander Kofman, foreign minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic.
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    Standing in front of a small Moscow church last September, President Vladimir Putin told journalists that he had lit candles inside for people who had been injured or given up their lives defending Novorossia.

    The historical term, meaning "New Russia," was first used by the president last April and was subsequently picked up by insurgents in Ukraine's east to define their effort to spread their anti-Kiev rebellion across the country's southeast — the same large region north of the Black Sea that became known as Novorossia after Russia conquered it during 18th-century wars with Turkey, and that became part of Ukraine after the 1917 Bolshevik revolution.

    Russian conservative ideologists and Putin himself used the term to justify their claim that it was the Kremlin's duty to protect the interests of ethnic Russians there.

    In June, amid the pro-Russian rebellion in Ukraine's east, Novorossia was proclaimed by rebels as a separate entity with its own parliament, flag and news agency. Novorossia was supposed to unite the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk people's republics into a confederation and also absorb other regions of Ukraine in the future.

    But last week, Alexander Kofman, foreign minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic, announced that the Novorossia project had been put on hold.

    "The Novorossia project is frozen until a new political elite emerges in all these regions that will be able to head the movement. We don't have the right to impose our opinion on [the Ukrainian cities of] Kharkiv, Zaporizhia and Odessa," Kofman told the Vechernyaya Makeyevka newspaper published in the Donetsk region.

    His words echoed those of Novorossia parliament head Oleg Tsaryov, a former deputy of Ukraine's official parliament in Kiev. Last month, Tsaryov told the Kiev-based Vesti Reporter magazine that Novorossia's activities had been frozen because they did not fit into the Minsk cease-fire agreements signed in February by Putin, Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko and the leaders of France and Germany. The official website of Novorossia's parliament is now offline.

    Change of Tune

    During recent weeks, as though in a preplanned chain of events, Russian officials have become remarkably active in stating that the Russian government wants the self-proclaimed republics to remain part of Ukraine.

    "At all levels, including the presidential one and in other formats, we say that we want [these republics] to become part of Ukraine," Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told government newspaper Rossiiskaya Gazeta last week.

    "They have unveiled their own constitution project in which they talk about their status as envisaged by the Minsk agreements: The republics will become part of Ukraine, followed by constitutional reform that will solidify this status into a permanent one," he said.A month earlier, Putin had something very different to say about the same subject. "I believe that — provided that the Minsk agreements are implemented — it is possible to find some elements for restoring a sort of common political field with Ukraine. However, in the long run, of course, ultimately the final say about how and with whom to live and on what terms should belong to the people who live in those territories," he said during his most recent call-in show on April 16.

    Leaders of the Donetsk People's Republic were already proposing their own amendments to the Ukrainian constitution back in February, suggesting that they intended to remain part of Ukraine.

    Instrument of Leverage

    Analysts interviewed by The Moscow Times said the change of rhetoric demonstrated that Russia had been using the prospect of the further expansion of the self-proclaimed entities into Ukraine's southeast as leverage during negotiations with the West and Ukraine on how to resolve the crisis.

    At the same time, Andrei Piontkovsky, an opposition-minded Moscow-based political analyst, said that Kremlin policymakers have realized that they had reached levels of tension with the West that they cannot afford.

    "In order to maintain the level of tension, the Kremlin would have had to escalate the crisis further, which would have meant more victims among Russian soldiers and more sanctions," said Piontkovsky, a senior researcher at the Institute of Systems Analysis of the Russian Academy of Sciences.

    Crimea Deal?

    Andrei Kolesnikov, a senior associate at the Carnegie Moscow Center think tank, noted that the end of the Novorossia project was announced shortly after U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry met with Putin in Sochi for the first time since the Ukraine crisis unfolded at the end of 2013. Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland followed hot on his heels with visits to Kiev and Moscow.

    In an article published on the Carnegie Center's website last week, Kolesnikov said that it was possible that during those negotiations, U.S. neutrality or silence with regard to Russia's annexation of Crimea was offered in exchange for Russian support for the reintegration of Ukraine's rebellious regions. Piontkovsky agreed.

    "Putin has offered the Americans a draw: They close their eyes to the Crimea issue, while Russia freezes the conflict in Ukraine's east. This is a lucrative option for the West, but Ukraine cannot like it," Piontkovsky said.

    In the same interview with Rossiiskaya Gazeta last week, Lavrov made a point of mentioning that the question of Crimea had not been brought up by Kerry during his meeting with Putin.

    "Draw your own conclusions," Lavrov said at the time.

    According to Fyodor Lukyanov, chairman of the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy, a think tank with close links to the Foreign Ministry, pro-Russian insurgents in Ukraine's east have realized that Moscow will not support their independence or make them part of Russia.

    "Despite their declarations, they understand that they want to stay within a unified Ukraine. The Kiev authorities will reject them [the rebels' reintegration terms], but in that situation they can portray themselves as proponents of peace," Lukyanov told The Moscow Times in a phone interview.

    As a result, analysts say, Russia and the West have reached a situation in which the crisis has been defused — at least for a while — with neither side losing face.

    What remains unclear, however, is how the Ukrainian government will react if Russia and the U.S. really have reached a deal behind its back.
    BUT based on the following--is in fact this article just another smokescreen of deception as the military facts on the ground coming from Russian troops and her mercenaries speaks another language AND the massive heavy weapons still going in also reinforces this.

    Russia is far from attempting any form of implementation of Minsk 2. Outside of talking Russian has done basically nothing since Sochi to reinforce the view they want a settlement.

    At all levels, including the presidential one and in other formats, we say that we want [these republics] to become part of Ukraine," Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told government newspaper Rossiiskaya Gazeta last week.

    "They have unveiled their own constitution project in which they talk about their status as envisaged by the Minsk agreements: The republics will become part of Ukraine, followed by constitutional reform that will solidify this status into a permanent one," he said.

    A month earlier, Putin had something very different to say about the same subject. "I believe that — provided that the Minsk agreements are implemented — it is possible to find some elements for restoring a sort of common political field with Ukraine.


    Regardless of what many of the mercenaries think whatever they are attempting to do in getting any changes in the Minsk 2 agreement and any modifications to the Special Zone law passed in their favor is like asking a polar bear to move to the tropics--the Ukraine has suffered massive damages and killed civilians in the name of "New Russia"--doubt seriously if any Kyiv political group supporting such modifications will be kicked out of parliament.

    Russia knows that as well as the US.
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    #Footage
    A Russian "hybrid" army group trains with the Msta-B, BM-21 and 2S1 in occup #Donbas
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CatH-Y1Wo6s … pic.twitter.com/7TFMZxBCkg

    Militants fired upon ambulance car btwn Komyshne/Syze near Rus border. 1 serviceman KIA, 1 WIA http://moskal.in.ua/?categoty=news&news_id=1763 … pic.twitter.com/CqND0SjTyY

    PHOTO: Russian River crossing exercise last week ©Lex Kitaev pic.twitter.com/YRW86b8YnE

    @spie2010 PHOTO: Russian River crossing exercise last week: «Yars» ©Lex Kitaev pic.twitter.com/Cs3PLTkGw7

    VIDEO Russian Anti-Air units BUK, Pantsir, S-300 put on 'active phase' during 'exercizes'.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE94piCwEFY … pic.twitter.com/APeqEDVWPO

    Russian GRU major Teresa recognized by eyewitness for killing prisoners of war http://youtu.be/-RF482XKdI8
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    Shellings and ground attacks still continue--so much for Minsk 2 implementation. Thought Russian was for full implementation of all points in Minsk 2????

    Four Aidar battalion servicemen WIA in an attack on a roadblock near the village #Rodyna,((#Zolote, Luhansk region) http://24today.net/open/421436

    #Donetsk some outgoing shelling in north, from Mashzavod plant area, explosions heard from #Avdiivka coke plant.

    #Shyrokyno 11:19AM
    Artillery working https://twitter.com/dertien1488/stat...13281365082112

    Dissatisfaction w/separatist rule in Donbas rising. Author of this piece thinks reintegration w/#Ukraine will be easy http://www.radiosvoboda.org/content/.../27035309.html

    VIDEO Russia Hybrid Army training North of Zuhres, Ukraine
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CatH-Y1Wo6s
    https://www.google.com/maps/@48.0916.../data=!3m1!1e3 … pic.twitter.com/RtDptt0qXQ

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