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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Ceasefire is now formally over --so those that thought negotiations with Russia is the way forward--must now bury that idea as long as Putin is in power.

    #REPORTS from all over the occupied territory in #Ukraine:Heavy Russian attacks.
    Offensive started at sunsets in the north,center and south


    Now we are seeing the Putin move to annex eastern Ukraine which was the plan all along which is what he has been stating for six months.

    #Breaking The DNR regime says, it will only withdraw its troops out of the agreed on #Minsk #buffer_zone, IF RUSSIA GUARANTEES ITS SECURITY

    This would officially give it the same status as South Ossetia or Abkhazia.
    source:
    http://censor.net.ua/news/307637/te

    This goes to the RIA press release yesterday when Russia stated it could be a "guarantor" of the DPR/LPR.
    From Interfax this evening 22:09 Self-proclaimed Donetsk Peoples' Republic leadership promises to stop firing if Russia guarantees security

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    At the outset of the Russian Crimea annexation a number of commenters here openly stated that Russia did have some valid complaints about NATO "expansion" to the Russia borders.

    Putin has argued in the press that NATO "signed agreements" to not expand and yet they did thus Russia reactions.

    I have on a number of occasions pointed out that NATO never signed anything with Russia thus the statement is just another myth in a long line of Russia myths used as propaganda to justify their political moves.

    This article from the Washington Post nails it again concerning the "alleged" Russian humiliation by the West as the core reasons for Putin's military actions in Crimea and eastern Ukraine.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...773_story.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Appears possible Russian sub is cornered in Swedish waters.


    The Swedish navy has started an operation to surface a "foreign submarine" in the #Stockholm area.
    submarine in Swedish waters 50km off stockholm is serious security breach much more serious if Sweden fail to catch it huge security flaw

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    Hilarious! How did I missed this one?

    Ukrainian [former] minister of defence confirmed that Russians used tactical nukes in Luhgansk airport.

    http://censor.net.ua/photo_news/3035...rujie_geleteyi

    Министр обороны Украины Валерий Гелетей во время интервью журналисту Романе Бочкале подтвердил тот факт, что российские террористы во время захвата луганского аэропорта использовали тактическое ядерное оружие. Источник: http://censor.net.ua/p303508
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    After studing Crimea episode I found out those interesting episodes.

    MOSCOW, March 4 (RIA Novosti) – Russian President Vladimir Putin said Tuesday that his country has not deployed any troops in Crimea recently and has no plans to annex the peninsula.
    http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140304/188...to-Crimea.html

    MOSCOW, March 3 (RIA Novosti) – The speaker of Russia’s lower house of parliament suggested Monday that there was no need for his country to use military force in neighboring Ukraine, in an apparent effort to temper anxieties as evidence emerges of substantial Russian troop deployments across Crimea.
    http://en.ria.ru/world/20140303/1880...n-Ukraine.html

    NOVO-OGARYOVO, March 5 (RIA Novosti) – Despite widespread evidence to the contrary, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Wednesday that reports of Russian soldiers in Ukraine were “complete nonsense.”
    Shogiu said that photographs showing heavily armed soldiers deployed across Ukraine’s southern Crimea peninsula over the last week were provocations.
    http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140305/188...n-Ukraine.html

    'No Russian troops' in Crimea airports says EU's Russian ambassador
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1d...mbassador_news

    Russian UN Ambassador Laughs At Suggestion Of Troops In the Ukraine
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5He_LChDISY

    And then voila.

    Putin: Crimean 'little green men' were Russian servicemen, helped ensure true referendum
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C-ApPC4XoV4

    Yesterday Putin's spokesperson claimed.

    He refused to name concrete foreign leaders who had taken an inflexible position over the Ukrainian issue. “Several summiteers showed absolute unwillingness even to try to be objective,” the presidential spokesman said, noting that their positions were “biased and inflexible.”
    http://en.tass.ru/world/754936

    Doesn't this sound hillarious after spring and summer full of Russian lies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaur View Post
    After studing Crimea episode I found out those interesting episodes.
    Doesn't this sound hillarious after spring and summer full of Russian lies?
    Not even a single bit of new information in this post. Come on, you may do better, bring some funny nonsence from Russian media.
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    You asked so nicely

    In the end of September Donbas rebel media announced that OSCE monitors found graves of victims killed by Ukrainian troops. Observer's name is Einars Graudinsh.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jvnKgZnvXcs

    Very quickly OSCE monitoring mission in Ukraine announced that there is no observer with this name. In fact he is Latvian pro-Russian activist.

    http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/10/0...erious-expert/

    Good pic with him http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/andre...3_original.jpg

    Despite this Russian two governmental huge newspapers picked up this story and spoke with OSCE "observer".

    Izvestia http://izvestia.ru/news/577523

    Rossiiskaja Gazeta http://www.rg.ru/2014/09/30/donbass-site.html

    This is not the end. Latvian guy spoke about 400 bodies mass garve in Donbas. Russian FM Lavrov and human rights (sic!) deputy minister spoke about this in UN!!

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hpnvuY0mUaI

    Russian propaganda is trying a lot. Here is news clip from Russian nr 1 brainwashing channel. Operator has in a very clever way mixed together 2 events. They show OSCE observers and their own "observers".

    http://www.1tv.ru/news/world/268637

    Plus 1 story which talks about anonymous OSCE observers and about mass grave and rape victims.

    http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/cr...trafficking-0/

    And one more time.

    He refused to name concrete foreign leaders who had taken an inflexible position over the Ukrainian issue. “Several summiteers showed absolute unwillingness even to try to be objective,” the presidential spokesman said, noting that their positions were “biased and inflexible.”
    По-моему, он всех уже заебал.

    http://avmalgin.livejournal.com/4970670.html
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    He refused to name concrete foreign leaders who had taken an inflexible position over the Ukrainian issue.
    It's called diplomatic etiquette

    Quote Originally Posted by kaur View Post
    По-моему, он всех уже заебал.
    http://avmalgin.livejournal.com/4970670.html
    Sweeping generalisation, blatant lie. Why do you even give a slightest value to the one-liner piece of bull$hit from well-known LJ freak and make believe dissenter Mal'gin? Not every person in the internets - with whom you share the same disgust for Putin - really has something cogent to say.

    Here, enjoy him begging Kremlin apparatchiks for protection.



    ps. everything else in your post is much more valuable.
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    Dear mirhond! Thanks for compliment under PS section. This is another small example how "journalists" are working in mind programming business. Is this good or is this bad, you as Russian should know better. One result is here expresses by one Russian guy in Donbas.

    They reported that 75% of volunteers - are Russians, and only 25% of local as Ukrainian men, under various pretexts avoid participation in hostilities.
    http://censor.net.ua/photo_news/3074...medium=twitter

    Have you any news about Spanish flight controller from Ukraine, who commented eagerly about downing passanger plane in Twitter? Have Ukrainians prisoned him ( no complaints from Spanish officials?). Has Russial troll farm closed this account?

    PS 1 your comments about Russian bloggers are like putting trademark on their site Malgin's comment to Peskov thought expresses widespread feeling. Forum readers can evaluate Malgin's work here.

    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/sitema...in/171884.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaur View Post
    Malgin's comment to Peskov thought expresses widespread feeling.
    ORLY? This claim is true just because Mal'gin says so? Don't be so "outlawish", present us at least one peice of evidence.

    They reported that 75% of volunteers - are Russians, and only 25% of local as Ukrainian men, under various pretexts avoid participation in hostilities.
    http://censor.net.ua/photo_news/3074...medium=twitter
    Чувак, ты что, подрядился меня смешить? Again, censor.net.ua? Just look at my previous post and explore the link. You think tou can separate verifiable data from bull$hit they post, like this?

    Ukrainian [former] minister of defence confirmed that Russians used tactical nukes in Luhgansk airport.

    http://censor.net.ua/photo_news/3035...rujie_geleteyi
    Have you any news about Spanish flight controller from Ukraine, who commented eagerly about downing passanger plane in Twitter? Have Ukrainians prisoned him ( no complaints from Spanish officials?). Has Russial troll farm closed this account?
    Nope, and I don't care. Dutch have already stated the obvious, anything else is speculations.
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    Ukrainian jailbirds eager to fight for Fatherland, state offers them penal batallions.

    http://pclub.dn.ua/uslyshte-nas-ato-...t-svoyu-stranu
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    Dear mirhond, 1 piece of evidence for you abot достал episode, if you have not noticed this previously.

    http://www.reedsmith.com/files/Publi...ert_14-255.pdf

    75% are Russians you can find also here.

    http://www.novayagazeta.ru/politics/65749.html

    One Russian city council deputy, who is fighting in Ukraine and participated Donetsk airport siege, claims that in his unit 90% are from Russia.

    http://ura.ru/content/chel/01-10-201...036263086.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaur View Post
    Dear mirhond, 1 piece of evidence for you abot достал episode, if you have not noticed this previously.

    http://www.reedsmith.com/files/Publi...ert_14-255.pdf

    75% are Russians you can find also here.

    http://www.novayagazeta.ru/politics/65749.html

    One Russian city council deputy, who is fighting in Ukraine and participated Donetsk airport siege, claims that in his unit 90% are from Russia.

    http://ura.ru/content/chel/01-10-201...036263086.html
    OK, lets reconstruct your logic: initially you posted Mal'gin's one-liner "Putin fcuked down everyone", now you support this claim by irrelevant doc about sanctions which says nothing about Putin. LOLWUT?

    your next link: one Russian rookie volunteer (who probably didn't even finished a bootcamp) says about 75% of Russians in militia - I yeld to superrior knowledge.

    keywords in the story of a Zlatoust deputy (who probably came to Donbass no more then one month ago)
    in his unit 90% are from Russia
    Although, these evidences make some sence, I personally believe thal locals who initially were enthusiastic, now become more and more disappointed by lack of material aid and leave militia.
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    My friend mirhond, why this kind of acronyms? I thought that you understand the language of diplomats

    If I remember correctly Strelkov/Girkin complained already in May that locals don't want to fight.

    What is feeling in Moscow? Not very entusiastic I suspect looking at this.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

    About volunteers in Donbas. Sorry, mirhond, my bad. I forgot volunteers from Abkazia and South Ossetia. Do they count as Russians or not? Surkov coordinates them, plus Ukraine, so I think we can count them in?

    http://donbass.center/news/1445-v-dn...visimosti.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    Hilarious! How did I missed this one?

    Ukrainian [former] minister of defence confirmed that Russians used tactical nukes in Luhgansk airport.

    http://censor.net.ua/photo_news/3035...rujie_geleteyi
    comrade mirhond---by the way the Russian Army in fact has the Tochka U's in the Ukraine---you must really pay attention to your own Russian Army movements and not the lies told to you by Russian fascists.

    by the way you should also check the geolocating work done on the Tochka U missile strike in Donetsk at urkraineatwar.blogspot.nl
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    comrade mirhnd---if you think your comrade Putin is having economic problems now with his oil check this article was a hedge fund advising group--by the way was it not the great Putin that stated in his Mila press conference it was an oil conspiracy by the US and KSA?

    Oil to hit ZERO?


    Speculators, like hedge funds and other big money investors, play a role in the price of oil as well. They can push it up past market fundamentals or, as they have recently, cause it to plunge -- the latest dip sent global oil benchmark Brent down 25% to around $85 per barrel, and U.S. oil benchmark WTI even lower.

    Energy traders are betting that oil prices will keep falling. In a recent Bloomberg article, Citigroup's global head of energy strategy, Seth Kleinman, was quoted as saying that, "several big, smart commodity hedge funds said oil is going to zero." He went on to say, "they are being somewhat dramatic, but they were incredibly bearish."

    Bearish oil bets are growing
    These speculators are increasingly putting their money on bigger bets that oil prices will keep plunging. Over the past month, hedge funds and other large speculators lowered their net-long positions in WTI by 4.8% according to the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission, or CFTC. Meanwhile, short positions in oil jumped almost 8% in the past month. These two factors likely played a role in accelerating oil's plunge in recent weeks as it went into bear market territory.

    Speculators have long had an impact on the price of oil, and even OPEC has come out to blame speculators for oil's most recent decline. In its bi-monthly bulletin the organization said that, "the actions of speculators are again behind much of the price decline." Still, OPEC isn't planning on cutting production at the moment, as it can handle lower oil prices while speculators make a few bucks on the downside. After all, let's not forget that in the past OPEC made quite a lot of money when speculators sent oil prices spiking higher, as in July of 2008. So it's not ready to break the speculators just yet.

    How low could speculators push oil prices?
    There is certainly reasons to be bearish on oil prices, at least in the short term. Oil production in the U.S. is up to a 28-year high, while demand will be lower this year than it was in 2012. With so much oil coming out of one of the world's top oil consumers, it's no surprise that oil prices are finally falling.

    How far oil prices will go before hitting bottom is anyone's guess. However, oil producers in the U.S. will likely cut spending to drill new wells if oil prices stay at their current levels for too long. Meanwhile, if oil prices fall to around $70 per barrel, producers will likely make even deeper cuts. Finally, oil prices in the $60 range mean that the U.S. oil boom would likely screech to a halt as producers dramatically cut spending, and jobs too. This is all assuming OPEC doesn't cut its production first.

    However, leaving OPEC out of the equation, it is unlikely that oil would go below $60 per barrel and stay there for too long. The spending cuts by American oil companies will have an even more immediate impact, because oil production from shale wells declines rapidly. Take a look at the following chart of oil production from the Eagle Ford shale in Texas.

    All the money producers are pouring into the Eagle Ford shale right now is expected to yield production from new wells of 154,000 barrels of oil per day. However, net production is rising by just 35,000 barrels per day, because the production from previously drilled wells is expected to decline by 119,000 barrels per day. So once producers start to cut spending, production from new wells will dry up and the change in legacy production will eat into production.

    Oil will never be free
    Because of this dynamic it won't take long before oil production in the U.S. begins to fall. This would work to stabilize oil prices in the short to medium term, and likely cause oil prices to start heading higher in the longer term. So don't bank on oil ever being free. Instead, get used to the fact that oil prices, while volatile, will likely always push higher.

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    here is something else for you comrade mirhond to read---it is a listing of the Russian Brigades inside the Ukraine and the Russia troop loses per Brigade---and you claim you guys are winning---some "win"

    Tabelle mit Namen der russischen Brigade and Nummer der Verluste
    pic.twitter.com/uaR1sGWd8f

    AND even more for you to read about Russian loses that Putin does nt talk about.

    FINALLY--even your own MoD is starting to say some numbers even when they are totally wrong:

    Russian defence Ministry confirmed 900 out of 4360 dead Russian forces in Donbas

    http://censor.net.ua/n307805

    NOTICE mirhond--your Russian MoD does not talk about 131 Russian POWs that the Ukraine is currently holding.
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    It seems that now even the Russian mercenaries state the "ceasefire" is over.

    Actually there was never a ceasefire other than in the heads of the politicians but on the ground the fighting continued as hard as ever.

    Following massive explosions in Donetsk, Ukraine rebel leader says 'ceasefire' is over

    http://www.interpretermag.com/ukrain...-donetsk/#4667

    pic.twitter.com/yotRcs9kGq

    BREAKING: "After today's missiles on #Donetsk, truce, even formal, must be considered terminated" - Zakharchenko
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    Again, this time from Boris Sokolov. Putin has "no choice" but to conquer all of Ukraine in days/weeks ahead. http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.com...in-has-no.html

    And so the idea of negotiations got us what again?

    #Russia has now official green light to deploy in #Crimea tactical-nuclear bombers Ту-22М3 & Iskander-M complexes.
    pic.twitter.com/ds9kwyGZOy

    SBU neutralized group of Russian saboteurs In Odessa http://liveuamap.com/en/2014/

    It becomes more evident ceasefire and no fire mode was #Ukraine tactics to have political leverage before negotiations. Now they are over.

    OK #Ukraine army several sources have confirmed they've got permission to "vaccinate or exterminate the rabid ones."
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    Russia's "on vacation sub in Sweden" denials are getting stranger by the hour.

    First the Russians accused the Danes who pushed back stating their crews do not speak Russian and now this comment by Moscow.

    Netherlands prove it's not their submarine off Stockholm. In panic, Kremlin says it must be "lost" Japanese WW2 sub!
    pic.twitter.com/E48fQj3vNI

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