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    Quote Originally Posted by slapout9 View Post
    How about the picture of Che on the morgue slab it was published in a lot of papers back in the day.
    Hell, toss in a pic of Prabhakaran on his slab as a bookend to that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Blair View Post
    (and will most likely remain so until Wilf can impose his war dictatorship that only allows major state-on-state refereed events....).
    Actually the opposite. I'm a Small Wars guy!
    Big Wars are extremely scary and dangerous and require actual expertise. You have to be able to command, do logistics and move large numbers of men.

    Small Wars has none of that, and they are rarely strategically decisive. I'd rather be crushing rebellions than fighting for anything that actually mattered, against anyone who was actually any good!
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    - If we can double the ratio of kills per contact, we will soon put an end to the shooting in Malaya.
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    Default From the Dept. of First Kill All Stinking Cong Then Go Home

    Rambo: First Blood Part II - The Musical (You Not Expendable)

    You Not Expendable (Youtube Link)

    (Hat Tip - Dangerous Minds)

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    Rand Held its COIN Symposium in 1962 could do a round table with Stephen Hosmer facilitating these honorable gentlemen:

    Charles T.R. Bohannan, Lieutenant Colonel, AUS-Ret.
    Wendell W. Fertig, Colonel, USA-Ret.
    David Galula, Lieutenant Colonel (French Marine Corps)
    Anthony S. Jeapes, Captain (British Army)
    Frank E. Kitson, MBE, MC, Lieutenant Colonel (British Army)
    Edward Geary Lansdale, Brigadier General, USAF
    Rufus C. Phillips, III
    David Leonard Powell-Jones, DSO, OBEY Brigadier General
    (British Army)
    John R. Shirley, OBE, Colonel (British Army-Ret.)
    Napoleon D. Valeriano, Colonel (formerly with the Armed Forces
    of the Philippines)
    John F. White, Colonel (Royal Australian Army)
    Samuel V. Wilson, Lieutenant Colonel, USA

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabers8th View Post
    Rand Held its COIN Symposium in 1962 could do a round table with Stephen Hosmer facilitating these honorable gentlemen: ...
    They skipped Sir Robert Thompson!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabers8th View Post
    Rand Held its COIN Symposium in 1962 could do a round table with Stephen Hosmer facilitating these honorable gentlemen:

    Charles T.R. Bohannan, Lieutenant Colonel, AUS-Ret.
    Wendell W. Fertig, Colonel, USA-Ret.
    David Galula, Lieutenant Colonel (French Marine Corps)
    Anthony S. Jeapes, Captain (British Army)
    Frank E. Kitson, MBE, MC, Lieutenant Colonel (British Army)
    Edward Geary Lansdale, Brigadier General, USAF
    Rufus C. Phillips, III
    David Leonard Powell-Jones, DSO, OBEY Brigadier General
    (British Army)
    John R. Shirley, OBE, Colonel (British Army-Ret.)
    Napoleon D. Valeriano, Colonel (formerly with the Armed Forces
    of the Philippines)
    John F. White, Colonel (Royal Australian Army)
    Samuel V. Wilson, Lieutenant Colonel, USA
    Here's the link to the document. The file is rather large, but well worth the read for anyone that wants to be a serious practisioner. As with all Rand products, make sure you click the free download button and not the "pay to play" button.

    http://www.rand.org/pubs/reports/R412-1/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corto View Post
    They skipped Sir Robert Thompson!
    I think he was deployed to Vietnam during the symposium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeF View Post
    Here's the link to the document. The file is rather large, but well worth the read for anyone that wants to be a serious practisioner. As with all Rand products, make sure you click the free download button and not the "pay to play" button.
    Thanks for that link! That's one hell of a meeting of minds...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Sea View Post
    Thanks for that link! That's one hell of a meeting of minds...
    I just wished that we had transcripts of the private conversations that they had at night at the bars.

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    Nicotine
    Caffeine
    Alcohol

    Burlap sacks

    Sir Robert Peele

    Aldo the Apache

    Custer

    That damned link/ circle powerpoint descibing COIN

    Doctrinal terms on an airport display which change arbitrarily

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    Quote Originally Posted by OfTheTroops View Post

    Doctrinal terms on an airport display which change arbitrarily
    Which doctrinal terms are currently in vogue, and which ones are out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OfTheTroops View Post
    Nicotine
    Caffeine
    Alcohol

    Burlap sacks

    Sir Robert Peele

    Aldo the Apache

    Custer

    That damned link/ circle powerpoint descibing COIN

    Doctrinal terms on an airport display which change arbitrarily
    Given the time period, I think that you forgot discussions of comparing/contrasting women of ill-repute in various conflict zones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OfTheTroops View Post
    Nicotine

    Custer
    He'd be a good example of a small wars failure...
    "On the plains and mountains of the American West, the United States Army had once learned everything there was to learn about hit-and-run tactics and guerrilla warfare."
    T.R. Fehrenbach This Kind of War

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob's World View Post
    I guess as good of definition as any is that a small war is one where the populace at home has no real stake as to if the conflict is won or lost, and goes on about its life with business as usual before, during and after; win, lose or draw. Sadly, we can all draw dozens of images of how to picture that.
    Good one - the image for "small wars" could be a soldier fighting in a ditch somewhere with the image of the nation behind him, watching TV or shopping at the mall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corto View Post
    Point taken about Che...
    But I suppose that the illustration is about counterinsurgents, not insurgents...So I retract my suggestion about Giap. Otherwise the illustration would have to include Mao, Sandino, Aguinaldo, OBL, etc.
    I don't know...many service members have an affinity for T.E. Lawrence, and he was definitely the insurgent.

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    Default failures count too (custer)

    another success

    Von Steuben

    Geronimo

    BOS is out Warfightin Function in
    my knowledge is too limited to keep up
    Lotsa buzzwords of course

    PPT

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    Geronimo was of limited utility, though like Che he's good on t-shirts....

    Of the NA leadership, Red Cloud would be a good choice, as would Cochise or Mangas Coloradas. There's also a slew of Eastern tribes who could toss up some significant leaders.
    "On the plains and mountains of the American West, the United States Army had once learned everything there was to learn about hit-and-run tactics and guerrilla warfare."
    T.R. Fehrenbach This Kind of War

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    Geronimo as a figurehead for an essentially leaderless organization would be good on Tshirts but the decentralized org is the essential part to SWJ crossroads. Starfish

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    Quote Originally Posted by OfTheTroops View Post
    Geronimo as a figurehead for an essentially leaderless organization would be good on Tshirts but the decentralized org is the essential part to SWJ crossroads. Starfish
    I get that, but Geronimo was actually disliked by many he was supposedly leading and was overall a much less effective leader than Juh, for example. And he doesn't come close to either Cochise or Mangas.

    NA tribal groups in general, and the Apache in particular, are better thought of as very loose clan alliances than any sort of decentralized organization (especially during the 1800s).
    "On the plains and mountains of the American West, the United States Army had once learned everything there was to learn about hit-and-run tactics and guerrilla warfare."
    T.R. Fehrenbach This Kind of War

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    I am definitely not the expert there. I think we agree but are not very agreeable a least I am not lol

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