How would you define "success" for this doctrine in the current context? What do you think the Russians are accomplishing or are likely to accomplish in the Ukraine, and how would that produce the results you predict?
Is there any evidence to suggest that the recently reported entry of troops and weapons has affected the momentum of the fighting? Current reports suggest that the Ukrainians are still
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary”
H.L. Mencken
An interview with a commander of "Aidar" batallian, petty criminal Ruslan Abal'mas turned into vigilante, about Snezhnoe (town just in between Lugansk and Donetzk)
http://obozrevatel.com/interview/852...-eto-vragi.htm
We think it's better to scorch entire town to the ground than loose a soldier.Мы считаем, лучше потерять Снежное как город, чем потерять своих солдат. Нужно авиацией, артиллерией проработать город так, чтобы его снести, чтоб земля выгорела метров на 5.
Мы дали людям один раз коридор, второй раз – они не хотят оттуда уходить. Нам их жалко, но если люди не хотят оттуда уходить, значит, они остаются на стороне террористов. Как можно сохранить город, если он полностью заражен чумой!?
We gave escape rout to people once or twice - the didn't leave.. if they don't want to escape - it means they are on the separatists side. How can a town be spared if if completely infected with plague?
This town is full of heresy! Prepare for exterminatus!
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Haeresis est maxima opera maleficarum non credere.
Putin personally comments mirhond's last post.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wHgnJy7ECb8
This is nice video to confirm Putin's words by Crimean Tatar's TV reporter, how BTR's with Russian flags were behing cossacks and women in Crimea. This is how Ukrainian unit was harassed by civilians and backed by Russian troops. Worth to watch.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aSLaM0xB64s
Last edited by kaur; 08-20-2014 at 04:29 PM.
Wow! Putin watches my activity here and for some misterious reasons makes irrelevant comments? For what I deserved such an honor?
Anyway, I fail to see your point - how on Earth his threats connected to Ukrainian punisher dreaming of exterminatus?
LOLWUT? What makes you think that cameraman is "Tatar TV reporter"? He actually calls himself member of self-defence. 5:53This is nice video to confirm Putin's words by Crimean Tatar's TV reporter, how BTR's with Russian flags were behing cossacks and women in Crimea. This is how Ukrainian unit was harassed by civilians and backed by Russian troops. Worth to watch.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aSLaM0xB64s
Last edited by mirhond; 08-20-2014 at 09:15 PM.
Haeresis est maxima opera maleficarum non credere.
let's see you comment on this mirhond---four days ago a convoy of T90s were photo geo tagged driving out of Rostiv headed towards the Ukrainian border.
then yesterday they were photoed again near Rostov coming back from the Ukrainian border---this time empty---by the way the same license plates.
then this shows up today from bloggers:
Survivor of the 30th brigade @ #Stepanovka tells they were attacked w 21 #Russian army T-90 tanks on August 12. http://www.berdichev.biz/content/view/12100/1/ …
this is the third report---will be more than happy to provide you the links
of T90s inside the Ukraine and do not argue the Ukrainians had them "stolen or sold them"
the last time I checked the Ukrainians have no T90s.
There has been a series of blogging reports of torture committed by the Russian mercenaries/irregulars/Russian troops over the last week on Ukrainian prisoners and their killings after the torture---complete with photos taken from Russian social media as evidence.
Yesterday there surfaced on Russian social media a video (w/English subtitles) depicting alleged Ukrainian torture of proRussian fighters.
what is interesting is the potential fact that the mistreated proRussians are actually captured Ukrainian personnel
There is a really good biometric study done on one particular individual and a few others in the video which then came to the conclusion---a lanched Russian misinformation video to underline the Russian claim of the impending civilian humanitarian disaster ongoing in eastern Ukraine--but instead of tortured proRussians they are actually Ukrainian POWs.
mirhond care to make a comment---always welcome to join in this particular comment
ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl
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let us see now a link that you claim does not exist comrade mirhond: you guys just cannot figure out how to use the social media to it best abilities--regardless of how much you spend bloggers win in the end my friend---and you all have lost the open source war before it even started
comrade mirhond----maybe this ia Russian soldier who "just got lost" and though he was going to Siberia and ended up in eastern Ukraine?
#Russian private N.Surnachev of Pskov 76thDiv, his name on captured IFV’s machine-gun #Lugansk http://vk.com/id71665467 pic.twitter.com/5s5M8RkiOH
so comrade mirhond---and again;
APC BMD-2 of RF army, Pskov airborne brigade captured near Lutuhyne pic.twitter.com/LdBL3in9OM via @Dbnmjr http://liveuamap.com/e/2014/20-of-au...igade-captured …
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comrade mirhond you have got to get those eastern Europeans under control--or maybe Putin will use this as a new reason for a Russian invasion of all of eastern Europe.
He must now not only "defend" those poorly mistreated and discriminated pro Russians he must "defend" all those Soviet war memorials out there.
you did know that their protection was part of the 4 plus 2 treaties with Germany right?
let us see---first Poland, then Slovenia, then Hungary, and now Bulgaria---where will this end mirhond?
Russia demands Bulgarians stop painting Soviet monuments as Super heroes pic.twitter.com/OtuoD4ovUM via @Gary__Bass http://liveuamap.com/e/2014/20-of-au...viet-monuments …
so comrade mirhond--about those Russians that are not suppose to be in the Ukraine?
got an answer for this?
Ukrainian journalist Bochkala: Ukrainian forces captured active duty Russian paratroopers whose unit entered #Ukraine
https://twitter.com/StateOfUkraine/s...898113/photo/1
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mirhond---further information on Russian airborne soldiers captured with their two APCs.
and there are no Russian soldiers fighting in the Ukraine?
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...os-361543.html
http://www.interpretermag.com/ukrain...ed-in-ukraine/
Battalion Dnepr-1 breaks #Ilovaisk siege w/ BMP, #pickup_truck and some Ural, passing destr. tanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG4WY-nTNFU&index=1 …
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 08-21-2014 at 07:25 PM.
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-as-...s-2014-8?IR=T&
This is in fact the true opinion of Germany and the US--Canada has a totally different take.
Ukrainian mortar crew is trying to shoot. More fun starts at 6:10
http://www.twow.ru/forum/index.php?s...c=7677&st=1965
Haeresis est maxima opera maleficarum non credere.
A good article in understanding the Russian proxy war that is up to the sixth phase now of their new UW military doctrine "New Generation Warfare" which is supporting the Russian political warfare against the Ukraine.
http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-e...ne-361643.html
mirhond--you need to get better information source--ask the Cossacks if this is true since you supported their "zealous Christian burial rituals--whatever that meant"?
Hundreds of corpses were brought back to #Chechnya over the last month, Chechen sources says
http://obozrevatel.com/abroad/24571-...azskie-smi.htm
This goes to the heart of why it is virtually impossible right now to negotiate with anyone in Moscow as some have supported here.
1. the "aid" convly left Moscow with a large fanfare display all the while Russia "claimed" to have "negotiated" the shipments with the ICRC,and the Ukraine and travelled under the ICRC flag which was not allowed by the ICRC
Both the ICRC and the Ukraine stated there had been no agreement worked out and knew nothing about the shipments.
2. Then they drive to the Ukrainian border yesterday and again Russian "claims" to have reached agreements again with both the ICRC and the Ukraine.
Agreement was 1) under ICRC flags, a ICRC member in each truck and3) agreements from all sides that there will be no fighting along the route
Then late yesterday Moscow started stating more aggressively "there will be serious consequences if the convoy is stopped!".
Now the day this comes across---the convoy simply leaves the border crossing unchecked by the Ukrainians, without the agreed to ICRC member per truck, no return route worked out and on and on.
NOW what is interesting is that every single truck driver is carrying the old style Russian passports from at least 5-7 years ago when the rest of Russian new style passports have been issued the newer ones starting five years ago so are the drivers military using cover passports without their real names?
#Russia's aid convoy is pushing into the war zone without clearance from #Ukraine or the blessing of the Red Cross
http://bbc.in/VKcBsP
So again why is it imperative to negotiate with Russian when they cannot even hold to a ICRC/Ukrainian agreement?
Some bloggers/journalists have been saying with the fighting going badly for the mercenaries Russia has been desperately trying to get the convoy into the Ukraine---knowing full well it will be attacked by "someone" thus delivering the excuse to cross over with their peacekeeping force that is sitting virtually on the border in launch position just waiting for an excuse.
There is the urgent need to get a large number of "peacekeepers" in ---in order to at least state they need to separate the fighting forces and we all have the experiences of Moldavia and Georgia when Russian "peacekeepers arrive" ---they never leave.
Some commenters here need to fully understand what drives Putin---if he is going to negotiate this Tuesday he needs it to be from a position of strength not weakness.
Again this from the BBC article--explains exactly the intent of the convoy from the very beginning and some still want to negotiate with Russia and as I have stated over what?
Notice the link up with the mercenaries as armed guards, the ICRC in fact stating it is not an approved ICRC convy and the IMPLIED and stated direct THREAT by Russia against the Ukraine.
This is playing out exactly as the Ukrainians told the West it would play out.
Russia's foreign ministry said Ukraine had held up the convoy in order to pursue war against rebels in Luhansk, where the aid is destined.
The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) said it was "not part of that convoy in any way".
Reports suggest the lorries are being escorted by rebel fighters.
"Our humanitarian aid convoy is starting to move towards Luhansk," the Russian foreign ministry said in a statement (in Russian).
It warned Ukraine not to take any action against the convoy without specifying the consequences.
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Shortly after the unauthorized Russian truck crossing this has been reported:
Ukraine Reporter @StateOfUkraine
Unconfirmed reports of explosions and that Russian convoy has stopped inside #Ukraine
Further reports from the crossing point indicate Russian military pushed the Ukrainian border guards to the side and allowed the trucks to move on through---the ICRC has stated the convoy is not a "recognized ICRC aid convoy now".
Myroslava Petsa @myroslavapetsa
#Tymchuk writes Russian servicemen pushed Ukrainian border guards aside in Izvaryne so that 34 trucks could enter Ukraine without ICRC
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 08-22-2014 at 11:28 AM.
Russia warns Ukraine not to move against humanitarian convoy crossing border @KyivPost
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...ce-361648.html … pic.twitter.com/4M5tCxRS5H
This ITAR-TASS press release states "they were permitted to cross"---but denied by both the ICRC and the Ukrainian border security guards.
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/746211
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 08-22-2014 at 11:42 AM.
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