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    Remember the Russian mantra that we will develop Crimea and things will be far far better than you had it under the Ukrainians---6M tourists a year and increasing under the Ukrainians and NOW??????

    Beach season in Crimea continues apace.

    pic.twitter.com/Bj9LAy8cUI

    Well so much for Russian slogans it seems----
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    Ukrainian loses in just the last 24 hours--has anyone heard any comments about this from Obama, Hollande or Merkel????

    8 Ukraine soldiers KIA, 5 WIA in last 24 hours

    Does anyone honesty still believe the Minsk 2 agreement is alive and well????
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    Seems that even the Russian mercenaries are getting totally confused by Russian propaganda these days------

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/pro-ru...#ixzz3caoDTgiU

    The pro-Russia separatist regions just named Crimea as a part of Ukraine
    Elena Holodny

    Jun. 9, 2015, 4:35 PM

    The pro-Russia separatist regions of Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) and Luhansk People's Republic (LPR) just named Crimea as a part of Ukraine in the draft amendments to the Constitution of Ukraine.

    That doesn't jibe with claims made by their backers in Moscow.

    From the document (translated into English by Business Insider):

    "Article 133. The administrative-territorial system of Ukraine contains : Autonomous Republic of Crimea, some regions with special status in Donetsk and Luhansk regions, provinces, districts, cities, districts in cities, towns and villages.

    Ukraine is composed of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, some regions with special status — the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, Vinnytsa, Volyn, Dnipropetrovsk, Donetsk, Zhytomyr, Transcarpathian, Zaporizhia, Ivano-Frankivsk, Kyiv, Kirovohrad, Luhansk, Lviv, Mykolaiv, Odessa, Poltava , Rivne, Sumy, Ternopil, Kharkiv, Kherson, Khmelnytsky, Cherkasy, Chernivtsi, Chernihiv regions, cities of Kyiv and Sevastopol."

    Asked to clarify, an LNR envoy, Vladislav Deynego, said that it's not their place to "bring changes to the constitution of Ukraine regarding the presence or absence of Crimea," according to Lenta News.

    "We are acting exactly within the borders of the Minsk agreement. In the Minsk agreements, there was no mention of Crimea," he added. Consequently, he added, the constitution's draft only reflects the changes with respect to the separatist regions, DPR and LNR.

    The interesting thing here is that by labeling Crimea as part of Ukraine, this document directly contradicts Russia's annexation of Crimea with special forces in March 2014.

    Last year, after signing the treaty to annex Criema, Putin drew cultural connections between Russia and Crimea when he addressed both houses of the Kremlin's legislature.

    "We all used to belong to the same country: The Soviet Union. ... The Soviet Union has collapsed. The events happened in such a fast way that many of the countries didn't realize. ...

    "When Crimea ended up in a different state, Russia realized that not only Russia was robbed, but Russia was robbed in broad daylight."


    "Crimea is a Russian land," Putin added.

    The West condemns the annexation of Ukraine, calling it illegal. And it seems that the pro-Russia separatists (at least in this document) don't recognize Russia's claim either.
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    Shellings begin for the evening-----

    #Horlivka 9:47PM
    To Nikitovka went 3 tanks & 3Urals. On International towards #Donetsk at 20:20 went 3 Strela & MTLB https://twitter.com/NovaGorlivka/sta...44729282048000

    #Horlivka 9:54PM
    Holma ds, mine 6-7 area, rumble since 40 minutes https://twitter.com/eco127127/status/608346326154244096

    Massively interesting........
    Belarussian military shot down a Russian drone near Mstislav
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/9-june-...ian-drone-near … pic.twitter.com/xWNoNcqEhF via @golub

    Kyibyshevsky & Kyivsky #Donetsk districts shelled. Whitnesses report smoke rizing fm direction of Zapadny bus station pic.twitter.com/lhwS5yxKZh

    #Donetsk 22:01
    Kalinovka - AA-gun shooting https://twitter.com/Serzzze/status/608348109052256257

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    Russia and stealing of Ukrainian coal--and Gazprom wants the Ukraine to pay for gas it delievered to the Russian mercenaries----really...........


    "DNR" (#Russia|n proxy in #Ukraine) exported ~650,000 tons of coal to finance illegal activities according to the SBU pic.twitter.com/PAOPgSzmzC

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Shellings begin for the evening-----

    #Horlivka 9:47PM
    To Nikitovka went 3 tanks & 3Urals. On International towards #Donetsk at 20:20 went 3 Strela & MTLB https://twitter.com/NovaGorlivka/sta...44729282048000

    #Horlivka 9:54PM
    Holma ds, mine 6-7 area, rumble since 40 minutes https://twitter.com/eco127127/status/608346326154244096

    Massively interesting........
    Belarussian military shot down a Russian drone near Mstislav
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/9-june-...ian-drone-near … pic.twitter.com/xWNoNcqEhF via @golub

    Kyibyshevsky & Kyivsky #Donetsk districts shelled. Whitnesses report smoke rizing fm direction of Zapadny bus station pic.twitter.com/lhwS5yxKZh

    #Donetsk 22:01
    Kalinovka - AA-gun shooting https://twitter.com/Serzzze/status/608348109052256257
    Russia is either flying recon over Belarus or flying through Belarus to scout an attack route from Chernigov to Kyiv https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/608349601507246081

    BUT since it appears only capable for short ranges suspect Russian possible route recon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Reference Moldavia and Transnistria-----

    According to this site, heads up:

    In #Transnistria, the situation has deteriorated

    http://translate.google.com/translat...html&sandbox=1

    Transnistrian Payment system to be integrated in thr Russian 'Pro 100' system" #Transnistria http://www.infotag.md/rebelion-en/204736/
    "Ukraine to reinforce border with Transdniestria - Saakashvili"

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    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/06/0...ntkovsky-says/

    West, fearful of having to defend the Baltics by force, resolves to stop Putin in Ukraine, Piontkovsky says

    2015/06/09 • Military analysis, War in the Donbas

    Fearful that a Russian victory in Ukraine would tempt Vladimir Putin to move against the Baltic countries whose defense would require the kind of military actions that NATO does not want to have to take, the Western powers have decided that they must stop Putin in Ukraine by non-military means, according to Andrey Piontkovsky.

    They have become convinced, the Russian analyst says, that “if they allow Putin to triumph in Moldova, Ukraine or somewhere else, then on the very next day, his ‘little green men’ will appear on the territory of the Baltic countries, that is, on the territory of NATO member countries.”

    In that event,he says, they would not be able to avoid the open military conflict that they have done so far in Ukraine because if they did not live up to Article 5 of the NATO Charter, “this would be a shameful end of NATO, the end of the West as a subject of world politics, and the departure fro the world arena of the US as the guarantor of the security of the West.”

    BTW--this is one of the Putin three stated geo political goals since 2008.

    “But if they come to the assistance of Estonia, this would be a war with a nuclear power led by a man who lives in another reality and who flaunts his nuclear weapons. That is an unthinkable choice [for the West],” and that is why, Piontkovsky argues, the West has made a firm decision to “stop Putin here and now in Ukraine… ‘without boots on the ground.’”

    The West doesn’t have any need to use military force in Ukraine, he continues, because it “has sufficient economic and political means to inflict a humiliating defeat on Putin.” And, it is important to understand, that what the West is doing is about its own security and has nothing to do with its sympathies or lack thereof to Ukraine.

    NOTE--have we seen the start of this with the IMF announcement today they will make loans to the Ukraine even if the Ukraine heads to a possile debt default and restructuring--countering the Russian outstanding 3B Eurobond that is due soon and Russia was using as economic pressure on the Ukraine.

    This new toughening of the West’s position has left Putin in “a very complicated situation.” His efforts to promote a frozen conflict in place of the failed Novorossiya Project have not been accepted by the West, and consequently, he must either accept a slow retreat or escalate dramatically, something that his entourage may find “’too dangerous and extremely expensive.’”

    Putin’s choice, Piontkovsky continues, is thus between “political death as someone who will be held responsible for corruption, responsible for the downing of an airliner and a mass of other unattractive affairs or be the fighting leader of ‘the Russian world’ who throws a challenge to the entire West.”

    Emotionally, of course, Putin would be drawn to “the second variant.” But not everyone around him will be happy with that, and the Kremlin leader may be less of a free agent on this question than he or others suppose – indeed, Piontkovsky suggests, some commentators close to the Kremlin have indicated that Putin faces exactly this kind of choice.

    The coming days and weeks are likely to be critical, and what will happen depends not only on what takes place on the ground in Ukraine and in Western diplomacy but on “how much Putin controls the situation personally.” He might benefit for a time from a bigger war; but many of those around him would not.

    Moreover, Piontkovsky says, if Putin moves dramatically in Transdniestria or Odesa or somewhere else, there is little doubt that “the reaction of the West will be very harsh,” judging from the statements of Western diplomats and leaders over the last two or three weeks with regard to Putin.

    Consequently, the Russian analyst says, one can say that Putin “has already suffered a political defeat… he has two variants for the future: that of a slow retreat and that of an insane escalation. And both will lead to his political defeat.” The latter “will lead to the end of the Putin regime much more rapidly, but it will entail enormous losses of human life.”

    And thus one must put one’s hope in Putin’s entourage, Piontkovsky concludes, a group of people who despite their own shortcomings “might be able to restrain him from this insane step.”
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    Will be a long night on the shelling and ground attacks on the eastern front.

    Azov reports of continuing battle in Shyrokyne tonight. Terrorists fire with mortars, SPGs.

    As of 20:30, two wounded

    http://m.0629.com.ua/news/852440

    #Dzerzhynsk 10:21PM
    Assault rifles and mortars (fire) towards #Mayorsk https://twitter.com/blessmaster/stat...53288304607233
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/06/0...ntkovsky-says/

    West, fearful of having to defend the Baltics by force, resolves to stop Putin in Ukraine, Piontkovsky says

    2015/06/09 • Military analysis, War in the Donbas

    Foreign Affairs ✔ @ForeignAffairs

    Five types of sanctions the United States could use against Russia: http://ow.ly/O55em pic.twitter.com/bExsoQGi2L

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    Boris Kagarlitsky "The Killing of Novorossiya" http://links.org.au/node/4454

    A different point of view which needs to be read also-----

    By Boris Kagarlitsky, translated by Renfrey Clarke

    June 4, 2015 – Links International Journal of Socialist Renewal -- On May 23, 2015, Aleksey Mozgovoy, the most popular, authoritative and independent of the Novorossiya militia commanders, was assassinated. Together with the “Spectre” Brigade which he led, Mozgovoy a few days earlier had taken part in an Antifascist Forum with left organisations from a number of European countries.

    Mozgovoy was killed by an unknown group of assassins, but it is obvious that his removal from the scene differs little from the revenge meted out recently to another Novorossiya field commander, who went under the nom-de-guerre of Batman. In this earlier case, responsibility for the killing was openly assumed by the official Lugansk authorities.

    The killing of Mozgovoy was of course blamed on a Ukrainian hit squad – a perfect excuse for the leaders in Moscow and Lugansk to avoid taking responsibility.

    The trouble is that if the attack was indeed carried out by Ukrainians acting on behalf of Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko, it was an open act of war that made a mockery not only of the current negotiations, but also of the Minsk accords themselves. The talks will nevertheless continue, and Moscow, which is obediently putting up with the blockade now being placed on the Transnistria enclave, will not lift a finger in response to a single murder carried out in the Lugansk republic. But in general, these arguments and rebukes only make any sense if we take the “Ukrainian” version seriously.

    While Mozgovoy was gathering radical leftists and anti-fascists in his city of Alchevsk, other people in other places were deciding the fate of Novorossiya and of Mozgovoy himself. Hence, Germany’s Chancellor Angela Merkel not only flew to Moscow the day after the triumphant parade on Red Square, but John Kerry in a far from coincidental development turned up in Sochi. There in Russia they found an attentive and understanding audience, and soon reached agreement with the Kremlin.

    The reasons behind this readiness for agreement were revealed a few days later by the former Ukrainian deputy Oleg Tsarev, who throughout this period had acted as a conduit for the line taken by the Kremlin administration on south-eastern Ukraine. Tsarev had always been faultless in “adjusting his position to that of the party”. He first declared himself and his friends to be the parliament of Novorossiya, a state that did not yet exist, and then, after the separation of Donetsk and Lugansk from Kiev had become a reality, established through victories on the battlefield, he declared the “Novorossiya” project terminated …

    But it is one thing to call a halt to a project, and something quite different to put a stop to changes into which hundreds of thousands, even millions, of people have already been drawn.

    It seems that the public relations specialists who call the shots in Russia’s centres of power fail to understand this, despite sensing that something is amiss. To the people who voted in a referendum and went into battle trying to build a new state, as well as to the millions of people in Russia who supported their struggle, Novorossiya is not a project but a movement, a dream and a social goal. Certainly, a movement can be crushed, a dream can be dispelled and a goal may prove unattainable. But none of this can be achieved with a simple declaration that a project has been wound up. The task remains of smashing and suppressing people’s resistance, of demoralising them and breaking up their organisation. This is not so straightforward.

    The handing over of Novorossiya is becoming a reality. Ukrainian customs officials now control the territory’s border with Russia. Still remaining are the tasks of recalling the Russian soldiers fighting as volunteers or contractors, of closing the border and of instructing the authorities of Lugansk and Donetsk to accept any conditions drawn up by Kiev and countersigned by Moscow. The deal has been concluded.

    In these circumstances, the fate of the people’s republics of Novorossiya will be the same as that of the Spanish republic in 1939. In Lugansk and Donetsk, a purge is now being conducted of those who have failed to understand that the Novorossiya project has been brought to a close. We warned that this would begin immediately after the sumptuous Victory Day celebrations in Moscow. Unfortunately, it seems we have again been proven correct. But even after the fall of the people’s republics the struggle will continue, and for the next wave of the movement, Mozgovoy will take on the same legendary aura as Sandino and Che Guevara have taken on in Latin America.

    The official propaganda presents the Sochi deal between the US and Russian elites as a victory for Russian diplomacy, as a means of avoiding war or resolving conflict. However, there is a more-than-obvious analogy with the Munich pact. The only difference is that Neville Chamberlain at least received a sheet of paper he could wave before journalists. The deal in Sochi was informal, and no agreement was presented to the public. The hired journalists were given the opportunity to present the latest concession as another victory, not so much interpreting the results of the talks as concealing them. But with each day that passes the real content of the deal becomes more obvious.

    Almost from the beginning of the conflict, the Russian authorities limited themselves to fighting for honourable conditions of surrender, which the West refused to grant. This time, the Russian side obviously got what it asked for. Inevitably, though, the outcome will be shameful, not least because the Russian negotiators, fearful of openly acknowledging to the country’s public the real situation that had arisen, took the road of informal agreement. The resulting accords will inevitably be broken by the real victors, especially since in formal terms these accords do not exist.

    To judge from everything, the people organising the process lack confidence and are inordinately hasty. Contrary to the usual view, political figures are not as a rule murdered because people are afraid of them, but for lack of the time and opportunity to resolve a problem in some other, less vulgar fashion. Now, events will develop at an increasing pace.

    While Mozgovoy was being killed in the Lugansk People’s Republic, the Supreme Rada in Kiev was preparing an openly meaningless law providing special status for various unspecified regions of Ukraine. The sole purpose of this law was to create an alibi for the Russian leadership as it acted as an accomplice in the killing of Novorossiya.

    The Kremlin officials have long rued the day when they took the decision to support the Crimean Spring, after which it became impossible for them to refrain from supporting the uprising in Donetsk and Lugansk. They were drawn into the conflict through a lack of caution, after overestimating their strength and failing to grasp the real odds they faced.

    In Moscow in the winter of 2014, against a background of high oil prices and of a relatively stable Russian economy that was suffering less than many others from the global crisis, it was clearly hoped that the West would show respect and understanding.

    Hopes were also placed in the growing weight of the BRICS countries, which together were thought capable of reaching agreement with Western countries on more equal terms. But as always happens in such cases, a conflict between the capitalist centre and the periphery was resolved in favour of the centre. This was not because Russia or the BRICS countries in their totality were especially weak. There is nothing weak about these countries as such, but their elites are tied by a multitude of threads to their partners/rivals in the West. These elites are incapable of mounting a serious struggle against the leaders of the neoliberal world order without dealing serious blows to themselves and to their own interests.

    There is no point in declaiming about the ability of Russia’s “spiritual strength” to resist the decaying West at a time when Russia’s own ruling class and political elites are themselves rotten through and through. Just as senseless is the hope that Russia will be able to offer the world something new if our country does not itself undergo radical changes. Meanwhile, our ruling circles fear these changes a thousand times more than any threats coming from the direction of the United States or the European Union.

    Needless to say, faith in “Putin’s cunning plan”, like any religious faith, will withstand all the tests of reality and will remain unshaken even if our leadership hands over the keys of the Kremlin to the Americans. The problem, however, is that a series of concessions, capitulations and betrayals will destroy the state far more rapidly and inevitably than any set of enemies is capable of doing.

    If this is how events unfold, the people who are intent on believing will not undergo a conversion. They will simply finish up believing in nothing and no one.

    [Boris Kagarlitsky is a Russian historian and sociologist. He is the chief editor of the internet journal rabkor.ru and director of the Institute of Globalisation and Social Movements (IGSO).]
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    VIDEO Security camera captures shells exploding at train station in Donetsk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrhQaKml_gQ

    Russia has put some toothless soldiers (=likely: former inmates) to 'defend' Donetsk Airport.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcM45yvbxaE … pic.twitter.com/Z5puANUgIp

    VIDEO The latest fashion for the Russian army in Ukraine is to fire 152mm shells.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r42E1ZjUNyM

    Russian general Lentsov still walking around in Ukraine after the (supposed) attack on him. https://twitter.com/GorseFires/statu...25442723004416

    Kyiv-1 Battalion: Militants launch fresh attack on Maryinka http://www.unian.info/war/1086590-ky...-maryinka.html

    #Analysis #Map
    Graham's drone shows, artillery fire in #Horlivka came from the west.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCYKiAHkDME
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    ‘Krymnash’ Meme Part of #Russia|n Society’s Return to Late Soviet Times
    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/06/1...-soviet-times/ … pic.twitter.com/G9GGml3lDS

    Unique photos of Horlivka by Furiia aerial reconnaissance group published. PHOTOS http://en.censor.net.ua/n339386

    Most militants’ attacks recorded near Donetsk, - ATO press-center http://en.censor.net.ua/n339441

    Terrorists go on shelling Ukrainian positions in all directions, - ATO speaker. PHOTO http://en.censor.net.ua/n339368

    #Gubarev's capture by #Russia GRU is carefully staged by RU's MoD TV pic.twitter.com/p8SJckTY5I http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/9-june-...refully-staged

    Russian Imperial Nationalism’ has Few Prospects without State Support, Pain Says http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.com...m-has-few.html

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    And the shellings never seem to stop and the US, France and Germany never seem to complain louder than an interview or press conference –why is that????

    Can it be they are actually supporting Russian takeover of Crimea and annexing eastern Ukraine???


    8:12AM
    Morning shooting in #Shyrokyno. Initially, mortars, and now something louder.
    #Mariupol https://twitter.com/Shimshen/status/608501973315407872

    #Novotoshkivske was shelled with GRADs after midnight. https://twitter.com/UKRINFORM/status/608499733414473728

    #Shyrokyno
    "Bxxxxxxds have already sent 15 pcs of 120-mm (shells)"
    8:11AM https://twitter.com/dertien1488/stat...01833368268801

    #Krasniy_Luch @falconua "Heard on the grapewine: it was better when we were shelled than like now"

    Shyrokyno 7:54AM
    Ruscists began shelling with mortars https://twitter.com/dertien1488/stat...97338622078976

    Saakashvili’s Presence Makes Odessa Likely Target of Russian Provocations, Kirillova Says http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.com...es-odessa.html

    Yenakiieve @Legioner_sniper Jun09 evening: a column [of/incl?] abt 15 SPG was moving in the city.

    @Legioner_sniper Lots of hardware is now in the forest in #Karlo_Marksove near Horlivka

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    Ukraine---The first true Open Source Intelligence War

    Ukraine will be remembered as the first Open Source Intelligence War thanks to @EliotHiggins and @bellingcat https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/sta...70737049681922

    How #OSINT #Russia|n #socialmedia unmasks #Kremlin's "#maskirovka" #Putin at #War in #Ukraine:https://informnapalm.org/9660-deseptykony-yz-pvo-rf … pic.twitter.com/JDvHAebJP0

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    #Russia'n TV journos claim to be #Belarus'ians when reporting from #Ukraine http://belsat.eu/en/articles/russian...rting-ukraine/ … pic.twitter.com/3c3pDj6CUF

    More Russian Spetsnaz in the Ukraine:
    pic.twitter.com/j4xEcBllTn
    unit ID will be coming shortly

    Gas pipe damaged as a result of shelling in #Stanytsia_Luhanska, 2 houses damaged in #Bolotenne (#Luhansk_region). pic.twitter.com/6vTbL9sn92

    #Stanitsya_Luhanska was under heavy russian fire from 9PM till 1AM, mortars, AA-guns. Gas pipeline damaged. https://twitter.com/Irina16135931/st...50682195394561

    11:40 #Donetsk Kyivsky ds @KalinaiMalina Dull single volleys, direction like the airport/#Pisky

    11:14 #Donetsk @idinmor "On the sly mortar bombs are landing in the airport area. Standard situation"

    11:20 #Shakhtarsk @Helgi__UA MLRS launcher-loading truck mounted on Ural tow/#Donetsk

    #Berezove checkpoint is closed.
    They said a bit earlier something about mines on the road. https://twitter.com/Shrik_E/status/608559809621839873

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    Many NATO countries reluctant to defend NATO allies, but believe USA would save the day
    http://www.pewglobal.org/2015/06/10/...-military-aid/ … pic.twitter.com/tUhpVc9ntB

    Seems that #Russian|s are getting less keen to fight for the #Russia|n world in #Ukraine http://www.vocativ.com/news/200380/a...st-in-ukraine/ … pic.twitter.com/AjjESSjmx0

    Newsweek: Putin's dream of a New Russia is fading in Ukraine
    http://uatoday.tv/news/newsweek-puti...ne-436185.html … #Novorossiya #Ukraine #putin pic.twitter.com/NPzRDZk6Y0

    Another independent report on Russian soldiers KIA in Ukraine adds to the mountain of evidence
    http://news.sky.com/story/1499223/ru...aine-questions … pic.twitter.com/Y3vRIM2Txk

    VICE News ✔ @vicenews
    Coming soon: @SimonOstrovsky sets out to prove that Russian soldiers are in Ukraine: http://bit.ly/1B4cbBq pic.twitter.com/LVcS9n7YYG

    US treasury secretary says G7 ready to impose new Russia sanctions
    http://uatoday.tv/politics/us-treasu...ns-436284.html … pic.twitter.com/ftfi3b9C1H

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    The Russian military is far more dependent on the Ukraine than many Russians or even Putin wants to believe----all gas turbine engines for all new Russian naval vessels come from the Ukraine.


    NavyRecognition @NavyRecognition
    #Russia Shipyard OSK Planning to Sue #Ukraine for Failing to Deliver #Frigate Engines http://www.navyrecognition.com/index...k=view&id=2813 … pic.twitter.com/wsmfEeYVEb

    Seems Russian can send troops and heavy weapons into the Ukraine and shell destroying anything in their way YET--do not let those gas turbine engines stop being delivered---we can shell you into the ground and destroy your infrastructure and housing but if you fail to deliver then we will sue.

    They seem to have forgotten they signed Minsk 2 but seem to have forgotten about implementing it.
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    Shelling in #Shyrokyne https://youtu.be/cRZ3MEvJRUU

    13:15 #Donetsk Kyivsky exec comitee area @AlfaNubovsky Mortar bombs fr/the city at #Tochmash

    #Donetsk @dnavtoparts [vk]
    13:09 Bakiny: landings heard
    13:11 Azotny: [rumble] in the north
    13:12 Mayak, Batischeva: Rumble

    13:00 #Donetsk @UkraineSuper1 Aminibus w/RUS troops towards the airport

    13:24 #Shakhtarsk @Helgi__UA MAZ-537 w/empty flat bed [trailer] fr/east tow/#Donetsk

    13:38 #Avdeevka @rechnikato About 10:30 city outskirts were pounded, landings in the fields. Now quiet

    Video of skirmish https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=49&v=v98Wrm4R5Ec
    https://twitter.com/Ukropo4kA/status/608573731779276800

    VIDEO: Rus terrorists firing from modified GRAD system. Fires single shots. Luhansk region
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjDuLP5dgbM&sns=tw … pic.twitter.com/IPHY38WYiJ

    Russian newspaper: Regarding #Ukraine, Putin’s actions undercut #Putin’s arguments:
    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/06/1...ins-arguments/ … pic.twitter.com/nVSmBcsOBC

    Former journalist of NTV has apologized for his participation in Russian propaganda http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/10-june...-participation … via @SvetaOstapa

    Russian mercenary positions are near slagheap & in vegetation around.
    #Maryinka itself is 100% free of Rus. occupants pic.twitter.com/N1HSno3AZc

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    Seems that those Russian "miners and truck drivers" forgot the Crimea was taken by Russia--when they submitted their first suggested Ukrainian Constitution amendments they included the Crimea as Ukrainian.

    They must have gotten call from Moscow--that is how independent they are--THEN this today:

    So-called "DNR and LC" withdrew an amendment to Constitution of Ukraine with mention of Crimea.
    Who would doubt ...
    https://twitter.com/ru_rbc/status/

    Seems that those "miners and truck drivers missed their Russian geography classes--maybe they should have remained "miners and truck drivers"????

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Ukraine---The first true Open Source Intelligence War

    Ukraine will be remembered as the first Open Source Intelligence War thanks to @EliotHiggins and @bellingcat https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/sta...70737049681922

    How #OSINT #Russia|n #socialmedia unmasks #Kremlin's "#maskirovka" #Putin at #War in #Ukraine:https://informnapalm.org/9660-deseptykony-yz-pvo-rf … pic.twitter.com/JDvHAebJP0
    The last line of defense against open source research of Russia's involvement in Ukraine: "It's all fabricated!" https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/s...94332165943296

    How Geoloc. photos of #Putin's troops proves that #Kremlin is at #war in #Ukraine:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrrY_nl_rmI … pic.twitter.com/xd3AWt87Ag

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