Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09
Final sentence I fully agree with totally----
On balance, I conclude that a strategy of exhaustion is working better for the Ukraine than for Russia.
No shxxxxxxxxt Sherlock!
BREAKING: #EU says escalation in eastern #Ukraine violates #Minsk peace deal
BUT nothing from Obama, Kerry and Nuland who pushed for the unilateral appeasement moves that I think triggered this offensive.
GRADs column on the move in #Makiivka 30 minutes ago: https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/631212513443610626 …
Multiple GRAD launches from #Donetsk reported in the last minutes. Also GRAD reports from #Horlivka.
As of now mostly quiet in Luhansk rgn, almost quiet in #Donetsk rgn apart fr/sporadic small arms bursts and 'usual' harassing fire at Pisky
00:51 #Makeevka @tatyana17112009 Grad has worked out
00:48 #Donetsk railway station @666_mancer [fb] "We can hear both salvos and landings in 4-5 sec, in Oktyabsky district?"
00:47 #Horlivka @_John__Carter_ Some distant volleys in #Zaytseve-#Mayorsk direction
00:40 #Donetsk @manirtal ...in city limits, maybe Putilovka-Tochmash
00:40 #Donetsk @manirtal Outgoing from Oktyabrsky ds, nearby, on Slovatska flashes seen in the sky and landings nearby,
00:30 #Donetsk @relictDon [one] explosion sound, approx in 30th market [=Kirovsky market] - #Rutchenkove machinery works area
00:18 #Donetsk Rozy_Luksemburg @0954771 A volley, one for now
00:20 Not one anymore
00:23 [ongoing gunnery].Strong singles
00:00 #Luhansk @100007182042214 As of 00:00 quiet in #Schastya and #Stanytsia_Luhanska
23:55 #Luhansk @ukrainebang #Stanytsia_Luhanska & #Schastya - suspiciously quiet, not any boom since evening
23:58 @jimmyprooff About 30 min ago thru #Makiivka tow/#Khartsyzk a Grads column went, 8-10 items
31 WIA #Ukrainians brought to #Odessa hospital: http://hromadske.od.ua/?p=4319
23:42 #Makeevka @nixer79 full Grad load fr/NW ettles, followed by 2 more series by 8-10 rockets, went approx at the west
23:49 #Makiivka @666_mancer [fb] "Grigoriev ettles have Grad|ed few times"
00:00 #Donetsk @DonBender07 There has been even 2 loads with addition, From bypass road, 3-4th km away fr/Gvardeyka center tow/#Opytne
Donetsk @14720Maro I heard [outgoing Grad sound] from the north, some other fr/south, relatively far, was dull like from a barrel
23:44 #Donetsk @PVB40 [fb] "One more short [Grad] volley" "And again, Damn, the 3rd for now, the 1st was the longest"
23:47 [#Donetsk] @liya2905 And some short [series], not too loud ones https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/631209508950380548 …
23:44 [#Donetsk] @liya2905 Full Grad load shelled like fr/ #Makiivka, it flew over my home like a plane. No blasts were heard- went far away
Donetsk 23:49
"From Gvardeyka (Botanical Garden) MRLS GRADs outgoing. #Avdiivka this went to you?" https://twitter.com/NeilRem/status/631205798463569920 …
Attack numbers will be high for today despite quiet phases.
Does the US DoS ever read the Russian Foreign Ministry press releases—the Ukrainians are being blatantly attacked by Russian troops and her mercenaries every day for over now five weeks with daily attack numbers being between 60-135 per day AND that does not count the combat ground attacks geared to capture more territory.
In the first 11 days the UAF has had 19 KIAs and 98 WIAs and that does not the volunteer BNs with high loses as well AND it does not count the civilians killed and or wounded to include children.
AND it does not count that the UAF “a sign of good faith” as demanded by Putin and forced on the UAF by the US, France and Germany AND then being attacked from this so called DMZ by Russian troops and her mercenaries.
MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
We are calling on #Ukraine not to violate implementation of Minsk Agreements by their irresponsible actions,11/08 http://en.mid.ru/en/web/guest/foreig...ent/id/1649231 …
NOTICE—not a single mention by the Russian FM ON the Minsk 2 points they Russia have implemented—actually nothing implemented.
WHEN will Obama and his 700 person NSC finally realize that unilateral appeasement moves demanded by Putin and not followed by reciprocal moves by Russia ALWAYS ends in failure.
WHAT is irresponsible is the utter silence on the part of Obama after making in 2014 the following statement---
"we will judge Putin by his actions not his words"
AND what has he done and or said??-- he let's his DoS simply state----
"we are deeply troubled".
And that is suppose to be a "foreign policy with a strategy"?????
The Russian FM statement "accusing the Ukraine of being irresponsible" seems to fly in the face of the ground reality and of actual Russian troop and her mercenaries released yesterday combat videos indicating they are the one's directly attacking.
By hey as long as the Western leaders Obama, Hollande and Merkel say absolutely nothing currently on the ongoing heavy fighting started by Russian troops and her mercenaries THEN I guess the Russians can continue to state "irresponsible".
News
Steady increase of BM-21 #Grad use by Russian forces acc. to the Ukr army.
5 times (among 87 attacks) on Tuesday.
ATO presser reported 87 russian attacks yday. After midnight they hit w GRADs #Vodyane, #Optyne, #Pisky, Novoselivka http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2015/08/12/7077557/ …
Map depicting fighting areas---
87 attacks (-8) of Russian forces on August, 11.
5 - with MLRS Grad - ATO HQ
pic.twitter.com/ghy5YufweY
@LUGANSK_TODAY Here you go : #Lugansk Armed Camp 2015 pic.twitter.com/SzN2m7X8EO
Donetsk 7:54AM
Ruscist convoy of 7 Urals, empty, on Chelyuskintsev str to south https://twitter.com/nixer79/status/631329991838576640 …
06:31 #Avdiivka @JuZolyshkaLia Power down
#donbasreports
06:26 [#Stepne] @Darren_Aro They shelled at our direction, it was rumble here... https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/631326941090426880 …
#Donetsk 5:30AM
Kirovsk ds - For at least half hour can be heard heavy single shots. A little vibration in the air. https://twitter.com/UrriKara4en/stat...94459490209792 …
05:15 #Donetsk @ropogckou since 5am Donetsk can hear distant short MLRS volleys and explosions far away
05:12 #Dokuchaevsk @shuttle1907 [outgoing] SPGs from Molodizhny area, destination unclear, no explosions heard
03:42 #Makiivka @VasyaMakeevskiy Distant volley - [close] blast [interval is] about 6 seconds
03:28 #Makiivka @VasyaMakeevskiy 7-10 incoming in the city west (Grigoriev ettles - Donetsk bypass?)
03:25 #Makiivka @PaulVezko Heavy distant rumbles each 30-60sec
03:30 #Makiivka @Don_esoteric Those are incoming, mortar, 2 sec between round and landing
#donbasreports
03:12 #Russian #propaganda woke up @zvezdanews "National guard keeps shelling #Horlivka with Grads" https://twitter.com/zvezdanews/statu...56918602960896 … #vodka
THIS is the perfect example of WHAT Obama in his unilateral appeasement moves demanded by Putin and his entire NSC is failing to recognize.
The Russian MADE a big deal propaganda wise out of the withdrawal of weapons of 100mm and smaller from the front lines JUST as the heavy weapons were supposed to be pulled back BUT where not by Russia. The Russian mercenaries made BIG statements that they were going to do and THAT the Ukrainians HAD to sign the agreement BUT then in Minsk recently they failed to sign even their own document they were proposing.
The Ukrainians implemented the 100mm weapons withdrawal BUT the Russians did not.
Yesterday in the heat of heavy artillery and MRLS fire being rained down on several UAF positions I reported the UAF HAD NOT even returned fire at all.
THEN last night--this---
News
Russian forces used 4 times BM-21 #Grad missiles in #Ukraine's Sector M since midnight.
Ukis fire back w/weapons under 100 mm caliber.
So in Russian FM Orwellian doublespeak being "irresponsible" means the Ukrainians are not holding to every point of Minsk 2, not holding to the withdrawal of heavy weapons and all weapons of 100mm or less and not holding to the Russian proposed 30km DMZ.
ALL the while Russia violates all of Minsk 2.
BTW the size of the BM21 MRLS is 122mm --a complete violation of Minsk 2 by Russia YET Western leaders utter not a single word or comment.
Social media comment to this rather one sided defense posture by the UAF----
Repel GRAD misiles with small arms? Hm.
Anyone else see the farce of the current US foreign policy or better yet lack of a FP??
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 08-12-2015 at 06:54 AM.
Russian Spetsnaz was on the hunt last night trying to find a way through the well positioned UAF positions—were driven back—in the same area as the previous heavy infantry attack.
Enemy continued to hit Ukr pos @ Bila Kam'yanka w arty overnight, 3 russian DRG's attempted to enter rear Ukr lines http://www.ukrinform.ua/ukr/news/pid...visoti_2083816 …
1 soldier of 128th Brigade was wounded after militant fire near Stanytsia Luhanska last night - Luhansk RSA
http://www.loga.gov.ua/oda/press/new...ews_67329.html …
Russia is attempting to physically change the appearance of the area surrounding the launch site of the BUK that shot down MH17--clear evidence they know who shot down the civilian airliner and the changes will be then used to argue see the evidence videos do not match the physical environment.
BUT the Russians failed to realize just how the social media open source analysis has a far deeper understanding on how to use the social media and internet to recover "long thought deleted evidence".
More evidence of attempts to alter the appearance of the location of the Luhansk #MH17 video. More soon @Bellingcat pic.twitter.com/6IAPXn2det
New RU #MH17 theory: there were 2 CIA-planted bombs onboard + CIA shot a BUK from rebel land, in operation "17.17" http://www.kp.ru/daily/26419.3/3291610/ …
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Waiting to see what evidence of which by international treaty forbidden weapons and weapon systems have been used by Russian troops and her mercenaries in the last few days.
Seems like terrorists were test firing banned weapons in last days, are now waiting to see int'l, Ukr reaction - Head of #Luhansk Admin Tuka
Escalation of the conflict in Donbas continues. The terrorists are now using almost all avaliable weapons - Tymchuk
https://m.facebook.com/dmitry.tymchu...36814836447174 …
To remind Obama and his 700 person NSC the war in Central Europe is still in full swing and shows no signs of decreasing ---actually the anticipated actual large scale move by Russian troops is a few days away as they are still trying to find a breakthrough point and Spetsnaz is trying hard to find it.
AND we still have no real comment from Obama--almost as if he is supporting Putin's moves in order to secure his legacy.
Militants decreased attacks in #Luhansk sector, fired at Stanytsia Luhanska, nearby villages. 1Ukr serviceman was WIA http://loga.gov.ua/oda/press/news/20...ews_67329.html …
Around 1am militants fired from GRAD MLRS on Pisky, Opytne and Vodyane - Carpathian Sich
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...39&__tn__=%2As …
EXCLUSIVE: First #Estonian fighting with East-#Ukraine terrorists caught. @EestiPaevaleht http://www.delfi.ee/news/en/news/fir...sk?id=72190445 … pic.twitter.com/MjNc2oMQP6
9AM
Mospino, Novyi Svet, Starobeshevo - Putin's orcs jammed MTS (mobile operator) https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/sta...56559642238977 …
Starognativka - All night long 2-5am we were shelled with artillery, tanks, Grad.
V @Staroignatievca
Volnovakha 9:50AM
Artillery fire can be heard in east https://twitter.com/solomazheka/stat...57037125980162 …
Avdiivka
The night was infernal. No electricity. https://twitter.com/tsnkvlt/status/631354290783821824 …
Russia testing international reaction on its intensified attacks with banned arms. NO REACTION.
@MikkoLaaksonen1
Suspecting these are their thermobaric weapons and WP rounds coupled with fragmentation effects (cluster munitions)which have been fired throughout the fighting in the last three months--even against civilian housing areas.
A great article on women fighting in the Ukrainian armed forces.....is a long read.
http://dailysignal.com/2015/08/11/me...omen-warriors/
Meet Ukraine’s Women Warriors
Nolan Peterson / @nolanwpeterson / August 11, 2015
KYIV, Ukraine—It was called position 18.
The house, which was yellow and had its roof caved in from artillery hits, was only a hundred meters or so behind the front-line trenches in Pisky, Ukraine.
Shrapnel and bullet holes had shredded the exterior walls, leaving the yellow paint polka-dotted by the grey concrete underneath. The soldiers used the living room as a communal space to eat and sleep.
A generator powered a TV that was playing a women’s boxing match. A couple of soldiers sat on an old leather couch with Kalashnikov assault rifles propped against it, watching silently.
Out in the adjacent garage, which faced away from the trenches and was left open, soldiers were coming and going, grabbing weapons, ammunition, and bottles of water as they shuttled back and forth to the trenches.
The sectional garage door hung from the ceiling, suspended on tracks. A conical divot punctured the front right section, where the door was warped and the metal tracks twisted. A few weeks ago, one of the soldiers explained, a mortar had come through the roof; the suspended garage door trapped the round and stopped it from exploding at ground level.
The unit stationed at position 18 was OUN, a volunteer battalion recently incorporated into the Ukrainian regular army’s 93rd Brigade.
The 93rd Brigade was holding the line several kilometers outside the combined Russian-separatist stronghold of Donetsk. OUN stands for the “Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists,” a partisan group dating back to before World War II.
With the sun settling outside on the late summer afternoon, about a dozen Ukrainian soldiers stood casually inside the garage, talking and joking. They seemed unconcerned by the sounds of artillery and gunfire in the distance.
The soldiers ranged widely in age, some as young as 19, some in their 40s and even 50s. They wore mismatched military uniforms purchased off the Internet, or which civilian volunteers had donated. Some soldiers were cleaning their rifles or tinkering with equipment, while others relaxed, enjoying the relative safety of the garage.
One of the soldiers was a 22-year-old named Julia. She had just returned from the trenches and stood with a Kalashnikov assault rifle slung across her chest as she talked and laughed with the others.
Julia’s dark black hair was pulled back in a bun, but it was a little wild and disheveled. She wore a body armor vest, camouflage pants cut off below the knee, and high black combat boots. Her jewelry was simple—a silver necklace, silver gauge earrings through her earlobes, and a black stud in the upper ear. Two woven bracelets were on her right wrist and a ring on her left index finger.
Julia, whose nom de guerre is “Black,” seemed relaxed. She rolled her eyes and cocked her head in a dismissive laugh when a fellow soldier made a joke about Playboy magazine.
Suddenly, there was the sound of separatist machine gunfire only a hundred meters or so away. Everyone in the garage moved swiftly toward the walls for protection—a few went straight for the door leading into the house.
Julia reacted calmly and purposefully. She barely budged, standing her ground while some of the other soldiers, and this correspondent, scrambled for cover. The smile left her face like a balloon letting out air, and she looked in the direction of the gunfire with a flat, focused expression.
“With regard to her reaction to the fighting, then I would say that she bore them normally and was even more careless than most of the other soldiers,” said Andrey Mikheychenko, an OUN soldier who served with Julia in Pisky.
“As to her personal courage,” Mikheychenko continued, “then, of course, she is very brave—braver than many male soldiers.”
Unofficial Warriors
Since the beginning of the Ukraine war, women have played a key role for Ukraine’s armed forces. They have served on the front lines as infantry, combat medics, and even snipers. And they help sustain the war effort from the home front as civilian volunteers by procuring vital supplies and equipment and delivering them to the front lines.
“I always felt ashamed that I wasn’t in the war when some 18-year-old guys, even if they’re not patriots, have to go,” said Lera Burlakova, 29, who quit her job as a journalist last December to serve as a front-line soldier with the Karpatska Sich volunteer battalion in Pisky.
“If you want to look in the mirror and not turn away, you have to go,” she added. “But I don’t think all people have to do it. Some people are really scared, and that’s the way they are. And maybe they shouldn’t be there, in the war, and die without reason.”
Women are still officially barred from front-line service in Ukraine’s regular army, and most of the women who have served in combat have done so as members of civilian volunteer battalions.
So, as Ukraine continues to rein in the volunteer battalions by integrating them into the regular army or National Guard, new questions are emerging about the future role of female soldiers who have proven themselves in combat and are consequently reluctant to be relegated to support roles behind the lines.
“We have a war, and women are serving,” Burlakova said. “And if a woman wants to be in combat, if she passes the tests, doesn’t break, and has already taken part in the war … then yeah, of course she should be allowed—she shouldn’t have to be a cook.”
A Grassroots War
As Ukraine’s civilian volunteer battalions merged into the Ukrainian National Guard and regular army this year, women serving in combat roles had to officially register for support positions such as cooks or headquarters staff.
Those who wanted to remain in combat roles skirted the rules by registering for non-combat jobs, and then remained on the front lines with their old units, which, despite moving under government control, remained largely intact.
The resulting problem is that there is no official documentation of a female soldier seeing combat, excluding her from awards and benefits.
Due to her unofficial status, for example, Burlakova never received a salary for the five months she spent as a soldier in Pisky. And she is not eligible to receive awards and benefits awarded to male combat veterans, because, as a woman, it was not technically permitted for her to be on the front line.
“You never get official status as someone who was in the war,” Burlakova said. “I’m not sure what the status of combat veteran gives. But I see the guys are so proud of it, and yeah, it would be nice to have it be official.”
According to the Ukrainian Defense Ministry, 67,697 Ukrainian soldiers have been granted “ATO participant status,” indicating combat zone service. This designation entitles certain Social Security benefits as well as free public transportation, first-in-line status for housing and land lots, zero-percent loans for private construction, and a 75-percent discount on public utility service bills.
Government data on the number of women granted ATO participant status was not immediately available, although according to Ukrainian media reports, about 25 percent of Ukraine’s 250,000 military personnel are women.
In 2014, about 100 women were mobilized for military service as part of an emergency program, and the Ministry of Defense announced plans this year to potentially open up the national draft to include women between 20 and 50 years old.
On Equal Footing
Ukraine’s female soldiers serve alongside their male counterparts, enduring the same risks and battlefield living conditions. And while some of the male soldiers demonstrate a protective disposition toward the female soldiers, the women are resistant to special treatment and work to prove themselves as equals.
“Julia faced all the same problems, as everyday problems, physical and mental, as the male fighters,” Mikheychenko said.
“At the same time, the commanders tried in every way to protect her,” he added. “For example, Julia rarely came out on duty in a combat patrol, but she always asked that we put her in, in order to be on an equal footing with everyone else. At the same time, sometimes she was allowed to participate in reconnaissance raids on neutral territory, or even behind enemy lines.”
Burlakova decided to become a soldier after visiting front-line positions while working as a journalist. She attended a military training camp but was initially dissuaded from combat service, thinking it would be too difficult.
Ukrainian women also served in the Red Army during World War II, including Russian-Ukrainian sniper Lyudmila Pavlichenko, who was credited with killing 309 German soldiers.
A contemporary example of a Ukrainian woman in combat is Nadiya Savchenko, a 33-year-old Ukrainian combat helicopter navigator who volunteered to serve with the Aidar battalion as a soldier in eastern Ukraine in 2014.
Combined Russian-separatist forces captured Savchenko on June 18, 2014. She was accused of being a spotter during a mortar attack, which Russian authorities claim killed two Russian journalists. She is now being held in Russia after a year in custody in Donetsk and faces up to 25 years in prison.
Continued............
Russo Ukrainian war is now starting to escalate badly AND not a single peep from Obama, Hollande and Merkel –the three that triggered this round of fighting due to the unilateral appeasement moves they pressured the Ukraine to accept AND now the Ukraine is paying the price for their rather dumb moves.
Tymchuk: Militants redeploy artillery to #Starohnativka and #Novolaspa
http://www.unian.info/war/1110664-ty...novolaspa.html … pic.twitter.com/65FoeKzFh0
Russian military did the same type of artillery moves towards the Debaltseve battle THAT the EU and the US never complained about as it was the first true and direct violation of the just concluded Minsk 2.
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Lysenko: On the western outskirts of #Donetsk, military situation escalates.
12 enemy drones spotted in ATO zone over the day. Another enemy drone crossed the administrative border with Crimea http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/12-augu...e-over-the-day …
Col.Lysenko: Mariupol sector: combat situation continues aggravating. The epicenter of confrontation – line from Bohdanivka to Starohnativka
ATO spox: The enemy fired with heavy weapons Ukrainian checkpoints near Berezove village twice.
ATO spox: One Ukrainian serviceman KIA, 3 were wounded in action in last 24 hours http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/12-augu...3-were-wounded …
ATO spokesperson: Militants cannonaded Ukrainian positions near Troitske village with 152mm howitzers.
Col. Andriy Lysenko: 120mm shelling of UA positions near Zaitseve was recorded yesterday at night.
ATO spox: Donetsk sector: Situation in the area near Svitlodarsk remains restless. Ьilitants attacked UA positions, but unsuccessfully
Col. Lysenko: In the western part of Luhansk region, no military activities took place yesterday.
Col. Lysenko: Luhansk sector: Unabated enemy shelling of UA positions near Stanytsia Luhanska, Shchastya and Krymske occurred yesterday
Russians are using Hurricane now against Ukrainian positions. Yet another step up in hostilities. https://twitter.com/uacrisis/status/631400287446671360 …
ATO spokesperson: The enemy used MLRS “Hurricane” against UA positions near Bohdanivka.
MAP: Situation in Eastern Ukraine August 12. Militant shelling across the entire line of demarcation pic.twitter.com/v7RyGDTNrE
Last night as a result shelling of Avdiivka gas pipeline caught fire, homes damaged/destroyed
http://www.mns.gov.ua/news/41338.html pic.twitter.com/Tltdc6EWY3
Sept 2014. 17th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade from Russia with SAU Msta-s near Novoazovsk wind farm in Ukraine. https://twitter.com/askai707/status/603174915135709185 …
More Russian supported “war crimes against Ukrainian POWs”
Ukraine POW about captivity in #DNR: they took hot iron & "ironed" my arm. Wanted it 2 sizzle http://www.radiosvoboda.org/content/.../27182947.html … pic.twitter.com/92lO6kX5fW
Ukraine : Need help. Can anyone help identify these blue train cars w/ white logo in center? pic.twitter.com/QFTGqJdLCL
Russian military transport brigade identified carrying “humanitarian aid” in latest illegal Russian convoy—
Russian 69th Brigade Transports 'Humanit. Aid' Under The Guise of EMERCOM: https://en.informnapalm.org/the-russ...se-of-emercom/ … pic.twitter.com/GGOw546lDQ
The story behind the DNR's Dirty Bomb: A Thwarted Putin False Flag Operation?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrode...lag-operation/ …
The Dirty Bomb: A Thwarted Putin False Flag Operation?
The Western media has decided to carry the story of a dirty bomb purportedly being assembled in Donetsk by rebel forces with the aid of Russian nuclear scientists. The accounts in The Times of London, Newsweek and Fox News cite Ukrainian intelligence sources, being careful to note that the Ukrainian intelligence cannot be independently verified. Nevertheless, they find the story of a Donetsk bunker full of radioactive waste and the arrival of nuclear scientists from Russia plausible enough to follow up. Most rebel leaders interviewed denied the story, but some boasted of the prospect of a nuclear weapon at their disposal. Rosatom, Russia’s nuclear energy agency, also denied sending scientists to Donetsk. Tight security prevented reporters from visiting the site of the chemical plant where the radioactive bunker is located.
Russian-backed news outlets decry the unprofessional coverage of Western mainstream media, who they claim employ novice reporters to cover the Ukraine battlefield. This, they say, is a false story not worth reporting.
Kremlin propaganda had already been peddling its own dirty bomb story. Its version accused Ukraine, not the Russian-backed rebels. LiveLeak reported that Ukrainian nationalists were caught trafficking in nuclear materials and radioactive substances with the potential to make a dirty bomb. Fascist Ukrainian organizations, they claim, are behind these nuclear escapades.
The mainstream media missed the signs pointing to a Kremlin false-flag operation aimed at blaming Ukraine for having (and using) a dirty bomb. Ukrainian analysts saw through it right away as another typical Putinesque provocation.
Imagine how a dirty bomb explosion somewhere in southeastern Ukraine, blamed on the Ukrainian neo-Nazi junta, would neutralize all the negativity associated with the Crimean annexation, the veto of the UN MH17 tribunal, the presence of regular Russian forces in Ukraine, and aggressive exercises against NATO countries. Putin would say the irate Russian people would leave him no choice but to expand military operations and that the West would have to stand by and watch it happen.
Russia sets up false-flag operations with patience and care. The Ukraine-junta-dirty-bomb story actually dates back to an April 9 address by the head of Ukraine’s national security council, Oleksander Turchynov. In his remarks (as summarized by Reuters), Turchynov laid out a Ukrainian military strategy based on continued Russian aggression and cooperation with NATO. Any mention of building a nuclear weapon, either conventional or dirty, would have been a headline that no reputable news organizations would have missed.
Moscow heard something quite different from Turchynov, whom it labeled a “moron” and accused of having an “inflamed mentality.” On April 22, the official news service of the Kremlin (TASS) claimed that Turchynov “told reporters on April 9 the Ukrainian authorities were allegedly bracing themselves for implementation of a number of unspecified confidential nuclear programs to create either nuclear weapons or a ‘dirty bomb.’” TASS warned “the creation of a ‘dirty bomb’ that incorporates fissionable materials will turn Ukraine into a rogue state . . . and would bring up the application of provisions of Chapter 7 of the UN Charter.”
Here is Putin going for broke. Chapter 7 allows the UN to intercede with the armed forces of member countries to restore international peace and security. Putin would claim that Russia, as a member of the UN Security Council must send in its own troops to restore order in its neighbor, Ukraine.
The video link carrying Turchynov’s allegedly controversial statements at his press conference identified by Russian news accounts does not work.
Contrary to Russian accounts, Turchynov’s April 9 address made no mention of nuclear weapons; on the same day Ukraine’s presidential adviser on strategic issues declared that Ukraine has no capacity to restore nuclear weapons.
Although missing the false-flag story, the mainstream media put Russian propagandists on the defensive. Instead of aggressively promoting the Ukrainian junta-dirty-bomb narrative, the Kremlin had to portray itself as the victim of another American false-flag intrigue. The Kremlin troll publication Novorossiya Daily included a story that complained:
“The last few times that the US tried this, with the downing of MH-17 and then the ‘shelling of Mariupol’ false flag, the US felt unable gain the upper hand either through regular proxy combat or its policy of terrorism upon civilians.”
So there you have it: the United States shot down MH17 so as to blame the Kremlin. The Ukrainian soldiers and civilians being killed daily in shelling around Mariupol are actually being killed by CIA and Blackwater agents. Russian foreign policies are again based on statements that were culled from the subconscious mind of a former secretary of state; the existence of Ukraine’s dirty bomb rests on statements of Ukrainian officials that were never made. Welcome again to Putin’s looking glass.
Skeptics will argue that Vladimir Putin cannot use a dirty bomb as a false flag operation because it would sicken and kill civilians in occupied Ukrainian territory and maybe even Russians across the nearby border. But the loss of civilian life in pursuit of political objectives has never deterred Putin, going back to the Moscow apartment bombings that brought him to power, his total war against Chechnya, and the loss of more than 6,000 lives in Ukraine. Even if we grant this point, would it not be too risky? Surely an investigation would identify the guilty party. On this count, Putin is sure of one thing: His propaganda machine can convince the Russian people that white is black and blue is red. If the Russian people believe that Ukraine set off a dirty bomb, it doesn’t matter much what other countries think.
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What is interesting is that Max Tucker broke this story for the UK Independent and not a single western and or US mass news media outlet covered the story--except for Forbes.
WHAT is also interesting is that it was social media that conducted their own open source analysis that backed up what Tucker was saying and had been questioning Russian activities at the chemical plant for the last several months.
The value of social media open source analysis in a Russian hybrid war.
Immense!!!
The Russian FM "staged press conference" with the KSA FM and the Russian FM about Syria and Assad did not go well at all for the Russians NOT AT ALL WELL.
The Russian FM defended keeping Assad--the KSA--Assad is the problem he must be kicked out before we can do anything with you.
Russian translators skipped over much of what the KSA FM stated about Assad.
THEN this today is leaked---
Sergei Lavrov, Russia, called a colleague from Saudi Arabia idiot (moron + filthy language)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UDiFm8vINo …
Sergei Lavrov moment of rage in a press conference with the Saudi Arabian Foreign Minister
Lavrov gets busted on camera muttering '****ing morons' under breath at presser with Saudis
Lavrov said "Дебилы, блядь"
дебилы="handicapped/retards/imbeciles"
блядь means here 'f####! s####!' as interjection https://twitter.com/svaboda/status/631411519931174912 …
Pressure seems to be getting to the Russian FM--Assad is basically now losing Syria after defeat after defeat, the Russians are the "frozen party" in Ukraine and the Russian economy due to sanctions is sliding badly.
And yet he just keeps smiling and lying.
AND Obama and Kerry just keep on trusting him.....
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 08-12-2015 at 11:28 AM.
Taken from an interview yesterday conducted by DoS Kerry.
If the US Congress rejects the Iran nuclear deal, that could destabilize the country's relations with allies on other crucial issues, including the Ukrainian conflict, US Secretary of State John Kerry warned Tuesday (August 11), Voice of America reported.
I would argue the US has not led a single millimeter under Obama as Obama needs Putin in order to complete his legacy ie resolving the Syria problem and getting the Iranian deal as well as a number of other issues."That is a recipe, quickly, my friends, for them to walk away from Ukraine, where they are already very dicey and ready to say, 'Well, we have done our bit," Kerry said, referring to efforts of European allies to support the Ukrainian government in its fight against Russian-backed rebels.
NOW it appears that it is the Europeans that have been weak on Russian –BUT it was Obama, Nuland and Kerry together with Hollande and Merkel that forced the Ukrainians to accept several harmful unilateral appeasement moves in order to “save Putin’s face”.
It has been the US and Germany that have inhibited a number of NATO members from sending defensive weapons to the Ukraine and it has been France and Germany that has kept the Ukraine out of NATO and initially the EU and it was France and Germany that kept the Polish government out of Minsk 2 when they assisted France and Germany in getting the Maidan Agreement in the first place.
NOW for Kerry to argue anything else is simply disingenuous.
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