but I hope not The discussion is revolving around what are presence patrols and what they are used for. While Presence Patrols is a widely used term it is not reflected in UK doctrine and patrols are still classed as recce, fighting or standing patrols and all the tasks I have seen on this thread would be covered under any of these three headings. The fact that 'presence patrols' as a term is used so widely without being defined in doctrine (if definition is needed) probably explains the confusion!