Terrorism in the USA:threat & response

[AmericanPride]

This is pure NYT PC Propaganda and it is nothing but an attack on our Constitution

The Constitution is not a suicide pact.

most are black on black!!!!

(1) This is not true and (2) even if it were, how would that diminish the importance of mitigating gun violence?

Speaking of raw data:

- the most efficient terrorist attacks are those perpetrated with guns. Bombs sometimes fail to explode. Guns almost always function. Of 236 terrorist attacks or attempted attacks in the U.S. between 2001 - 2013, 63 were perpetrated by individuals acting alone. 36 people were killed in those attacks; 32 by firearms.

- the closer you are to guns, the more likely you to be killed by them; hence, the majority of suicides and homicides conducted by firearms. The proximity of firearms leads to higher risk of death by homicide or suicide.



- handguns are the most common firearm used in homicides and suicides.

- 36.8% of law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty between 2005 - 2014 were killed by firearms.

- how many mass shootings have been stopped by the 'good guy with gun' theory? Trained law enforcement officers struggle to hit their target 30% (I think it's closer to 20%) of the time in shooting incidents - how do you think the average joe will fare?

The fact that more attacks like San Bernandino do not happen is probably a function of potential terrorist attackers failing to understand just how vulnerable America is to gun violence. Want to throw America in a frenzy? Every day for a week, a separate lone attacker armed with a gun targets a school, hospital, movie theater, and other soft targets in different parts of the country.

[slapout9]

The Constitution is not a suicide pact.

I agree with that which is why they put in the Second Amendment. They new Politicos could be and often are corrupt.

(1) This is not true and (2) even if it were, how would that diminish the importance of mitigating gun violence?

Come on AP....you know it's true Chicago is the mass Shooting Capitol of the World and it is black on black crime....ask any good street cop around and he will tell you inter-racial crime is rare! All races tend to attack their own races, just a fact, again go to any FBI or DOJ stats and look it up.[/QUOTE]

Speaking of raw data:

- the most efficient terrorist attacks are those perpetrated with guns. Bombs sometimes fail to explode. Guns almost always function. Of 236 terrorist attacks or attempted attacks in the U.S. between 2001 - 2013, 63 were perpetrated by individuals acting alone. 36 people were killed in those attacks; 32 by firearms.

Great big No,No,No.....it is guns against UNARMED or UNPROTECTED victims....that is always the missing part of the equation that the PC crowd leaves.

- the closer you are to guns, the more likely you to be killed by them; hence, the majority of suicides and homicides conducted by firearms. The proximity of firearms leads to higher risk of death by homicide or suicide.

Again PC Bull stuff nothing happens until a PERSON with the Will To KILL with a gun!!! People decide to kill not guns

- handguns are the most common firearm used in homicides and suicides.

Finally we agree, but so what. As Archie Bunker said "would it make you feel better if they were thrown off the roof and died"
The most violent form of death any American is likely to have happen to them is a car wreck!!! Should we ban Cars and make the place all safe and fluffy!!

- 36.8% of law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty between 2005 - 2014 were killed by firearms.

We are on a roll we agree again, but so what again? LE needs more money for combat shooting instead going to the range and do simple target shooting....after the Academy this is simply a waste of time and money.Been fighting that battle for years.....and loosing

- how many mass shootings have been stopped by the 'good guy with gun' theory? Trained law enforcement officers struggle to hit their target 30% (I think it's closer to 20%) of the time in shooting incidents - how do you think the average joe will fare?

We are really on a roll, agree again. Again this is a training issue. Basic Firearms training should take place in High School like Driver's Ed. Oh I can here the PC crowd yeeling already!!!

The fact that more attacks like San Bernandino do not happen is probably a function of potential terrorist attackers failing to understand just how vulnerable America is to gun violence. Want to throw America in a frenzy? Every day for a week, a separate lone attacker armed with a gun targets a school, hospital, movie theater, and other soft targets in different parts of the country.

That is right but we are confusing an act of vs. a criminal act. We should be using the National Guard at home like we did in WW2, to protect soft targets.

[AmericanPride]

I agree with that which is why they put in the Second Amendment.

The point is that the the Second Amendment, as an amendment, is not necessarily a permanent fixture of the Constitution.

ask any good street cop around and he will tell you inter-racial crime is rare!

'Inter-racial crime' is rare because people are more often targeted by someone they know (or that knows them) rather than a stranger. This is also why gun-owners and their family members are most at risk of homicide or suicide by gun. Since the trend towards self-segregation is still strong, it is not surprising that inter-racial crime is rare. This is why over 80% of white homicide victims were murdered by another white person. If you are a white person, slap, you should beware of other white people. Especially if they own a gun. And especially if they are male. You know - just the 'raw data' speaking.

Great big No,No,No.....it is guns against UNARMED or UNPROTECTED victims....that is always the missing part of the equation that the PC crowd leaves.

How many terrorist attacks have been prevented to date by the 'good guy with gun'?

People decide to kill not guns

Yes - and people who already own guns make that decision more frequently than people who do not own guns. It probably has something fundamentally to do with the easy availability of firearms combined with their higher efficiency in killing than other weapons.

Should we ban Cars and make the place all safe and fluffy!!

This is a fallacious argument. First, cars are not inherently designed as weapons. Second, firearms are inherently designed as weapons. The purpose of a weapon is to kill its target. The auto industry has been required to implement a wide range of safety features to make the automobile safer. Operating a motor vehicle requires a license with picture identification and insurance. And the right to operate a motor vehicle can be revoked for any number of reasons. We shouldn't ban cars - but we should endeavor to make driving safer.

but so what again?

"So what" is your response that firearms are the most dangerous threat to the lives of law enforcement officers? Are you anti- law enforcement slap?

We should be using the National Guard at home like we did in WW2, to protect soft targets.

Uh huh...

[omarali50]

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[slapout9]

The point is that the the Second Amendment, as an amendment, is not necessarily a permanent fixture of the Constitution.

I got it.

'Inter-racial crime' is rare because people are more often targeted by someone they know (or that knows them) rather than a stranger. This is also why gun-owners and their family members are most at risk of homicide or suicide by gun. Since the trend towards self-segregation is still strong, it is not surprising that inter-racial crime is rare. This is why over 80% of white homicide victims were murdered by another white person. If you are a white person, slap, you should beware of other white people. Especially if they own a gun. And especially if they are male. You know - just the 'raw data' speaking.

I am very familiar with white males with guns. You may not have joined the SWC yet, so you may not have seen the post of when I was a Police officer and I along with my wife were ambushed in our front yard. The attacker had 3 guns on him(and emptied them at us), 25 more in his truck and about 5,000 rounds of ammunition. The post should still be up somewhere in the archives. If not I can send you a copy from Police Marksman Magazine

How many terrorist attacks have been prevented to date by the 'good guy with gun'?

Don't know. Deterrence is hard to prove, like the Deterrent use of Nuclear Weapons, but I don't doubt that it has been done.

Yes - and people who already own guns make that decision more frequently than people who do not own guns. It probably has something fundamentally to do with the easy availability of firearms combined with their higher efficiency in killing than other weapons.

Disagree, recent purchase of a weapon is a stronger indicator it will be used in a crime, simple long term possession has never been proven to increase likelihood of use in a crime.

This is a fallacious argument. First, cars are not inherently designed as weapons. Second, firearms are inherently designed as weapons. The purpose of a weapon is to kill its target. The auto industry has been required to implement a wide range of safety features to make the automobile safer. Operating a motor vehicle requires a license with picture identification and insurance. And the right to operate a motor vehicle can be revoked for any number of reasons. We shouldn't ban cars - but we should endeavor to make driving safer.

It is a very good argument because it proves that if someone has the will to kill someone will use whatever they can get their hands on like a booby trap or an IED. Criminal/Terrorist control always works, gun control never has, except to impose dictatorship! As for safer driving again education and training is the answer.....personal responsibility not more" guvmint"

"So what" is your response that firearms are the most dangerous threat to the lives of law enforcement officers? Are you anti- law enforcement slap?

My response is the weapons are not a danger!!!! Moral decay of the society is by far a greater threat. MY God man we have a declared Socialist running for President! Never in my life would I have thought that possible.

I have said this before and maybe you weren't here yet, but I had a training officer tell me" Never fear the weapon, always fear the person holding the weapon"still true today.

And since I was one NO I am not anti-LE. You are not anti-American are you? Instead of preserving, protecting and defending the Constitution sounds you are recommending that we subvert and sabotage it.



Uh huh...[/QUOTE] Agree[/QUOTE]

[omarali50]

Trump's comments and subsequent discussion on my Twitter Timeline. May be of interest to some.

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[Azor]

Now that the firearms genie is out of the bottle, it's near impossible to roll it back - thanks NRA!

The fact is ownership of handguns and (semi)-automatics is bad for society as a whole.

Yes there are some instances where the good guy with the gun saves the day, but overall it's a disaster.

Seatbelts sometimes kill, should we ban them?

Should individuals be allowed nuclear weapons and B2 bombers in order to protect themselves from home invasion or government tyranny? Where do you draw the line?

[82redleg]

Now that the firearms genie is out of the bottle, it's near impossible to roll it back - thanks NRA!

The fact is ownership of handguns and (semi)-automatics is bad for society as a whole.

Wiki says that the UN says that the US in only 121st out of 218 countries in rate of intentional homicide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate

Not sure that supports your argument that things here are particularly awful.

Look at the countries with lower rates- they fall into 2 general groups- comparatively small, relatively culturally homogenous (generally western European and Asian) countries (with rates that probably look like large sections of the US, if you could get data that discounted the major cities where most of the crime is), and authoritarian states whose data is at best suspect in my mind.